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Thank you very much for the clarifications. </div>
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The reason why I know a bit about these models is that I have recently become the co-chief editor of the French
<i>Journal de la Société des Océanistes </i>(which is not in the hands of a larger publisher but administered entirely by the Société in question). </div>
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I fully agree with Sebastian that ALT members want to see De Gruyter's numbers. </div>
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Turning the S2O model into an eternal private donation model is contrary to the spirit of this proposal - see line 4 here for instance: </div>
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relies on existing <b>library </b>subscription procurement processes."</span></div>
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Tying up individual readers to their subscription is generally contrary to the spirit of Open Access, which is that readers don't pay (not that they promise to pay for ever
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Now, the proposed model may be of interest to ALT members for other reasons, but one wonders about De Gruyter's interests in all this. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 15 August 2022 6:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> William Croft <wcroft@unm.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] ALT Newsletter 61</font>
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<div class="">Thank you for your interest in these issues. You should have received an email from Jeff regarding the OA situation and I am now writing about the membership dues.</div>
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<div class="">All of the information that you need is on the ALT website under Membership. if you are planning to attend the ALT meeting in December, you can register now on the meeting website and pay your dues at the same time as you register for the conference. </div>
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<div class="">Things are slightly more complex at the moment if you are not attending the conference. At the moment, this must be done by bank transfer. As the website says, this situation will be remedied later this year when d<span class="" style="font-style:normal">irect
payments to the ALT through its website are introduced.</span></div>
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<div class="">We value your feedback. We are hoping that by having some additional income for ALT, we will be able to take on some new initiatives. </div>
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I had not heard of S2O either until I received the ALT newsletter. The explanation is on the Annual Reviews website, as Sebastian indicates. But apparently Annual Review of Linguistics has not received enough subscriptions to become open access: I went to the
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However, I interpreted the ALT newsletter as saying if de Gruyter received enough subscriptions of any kind, including individual subscriptions, then it would shift to open access. I had subscribed for 2023 after subscriptions were split from ALT membership,
because I wanted the hardcopy journal, at least for the time being.</div>
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Speaking of which, when I subscribed to LT through de Gruyter, I looked for a way to pay my membership dues on the ALT website since they are now split. But I could not find where to do it. Please let me know how membership dues will work now that the journal
subscription is split.</div>
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<font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class="" style="font-size:11pt"><b class="">From:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" class="">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> on
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Dear all,<br class="">
Maïa took the words right off my keyboard. My initial reaction was the<br class="">
same, but I postponed my reply as I wanted to look into it in more detail.<br class="">
Do we happen to know how many institutional subscriptions there are for<br class="">
LT? De Gruyter have presumably made some calculations for the<br class="">
transition, which would be interesting to see. Without numbers, it will<br class="">
be hard to evaluate the proposition.<br class="">
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This model was developed by Annual Reviews. You can find good<br class="">
explanation here:<br class="">
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> Dear Keren, Ljuba, Jeff, and all,<br class="">
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> Thank you very much for the newsletter, and for all the work obviously.<br class="">
> (Full disclosure: I am not sure how up-to-date I am with my membership, but I plan to look into this soon.)<br class="">
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> I have a question regarding the S2O model.<br class="">
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> It had been my understanding that the spirit of this model is to maintain INSTITUTIONAL subscriptions after a journal shifts to Open Access.<br class="">
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> I understand this relative to the logic where, on our way to the "diamond model" (where researchers are paid to produce, and no one pays any further), there is a stage at which only institutions pay (i.e. neither authors nor reader have to contribute financially).<br class="">
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> I may very well have misunderstood.<br class="">
> I find these questions interesting generally, and since S2O is on the table for LT, I thought I would raise the point?<br class="">
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> With kindest regards, many thanks for your clarification, and any discussion that may ensue,<br class="">
> Maïa<br class="">
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> From: Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" class="">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> on behalf of Luba Nikolova Vesselinova <<a href="mailto:ljuba@ling.su.se" class="">ljuba@ling.su.se</a>><br class="">
> Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 11:16 AM<br class="">
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> Subject: [Lingtyp] ALT Newsletter 61<br class="">
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> Dear All,<br class="">
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> Please find attached the summer newsletter of our organization. Should you have any comments or questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch.<br class="">
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> Best wishes,<br class="">
> Keren and Ljuba<br class="">
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> Phone: +46-8-16-2332 Fax: +46-8-15 5389<br class="">
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