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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There is actually a dissertation on this phenomenon:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#525960;background:#FCFAF3">Thrasher, Randolph H. Jr. 1974. <i><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">Shouldn't Ignore These Strings: A Study of Conversational
Deletion</span></i>, Ph.D. Dissertation, Linguistics, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Cat Butz <Cat.Butz@hhu.de><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:51 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Lingtyp] query: 1st syllable deletion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My suggestion was that the deletion process is morphosyntactic rather
<br>
than phonological, i.e. that it's about morphemes/constituents rather <br>
than syllables, which I was trying to showcase by the two-syllable <br>
examples, but your explanation does make sense (I'm assuming you meant <br>
"[d͡ʒə] have any luck?"). In the meantime, I had come up with another <br>
example with three syllables, "(It was a)bout time.", but even that <br>
could be viewed as two-step process where first /ɪt wɔz ə-/ is shortened <br>
to [</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif">∅</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">zə] and then that syllable is deleted. I'll let you know if I think
<br>
of anything else interesting. In any case, it seems like a challenge to <br>
distinguish a phonological first-syllable deletion process from a <br>
morphosyntactic one, but that's what we're about, I guess.<br>
---<br>
Cat Butz (she)<br>
HHU Düsseldorf, General Linguistics<br>
Institute of Language and Information<br>
<br>
Cat Butz (sie)<br>
HHU Düsseldorf, Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft<br>
Institut für Sprache und Information<br>
<br>
Am 2022-11-01 10:58, schrieb David Gil:<br>
> Nice examples, Cat. Though if the gist of these examples is to<br>
> suggest that deletion can apply to two syllables and not just to one,<br>
> then I would offer an possible alternative analysis whereby your two<br>
> sentences involve the deletion of a reduced monosyllable, applying to<br>
> forms such as<br>
> <br>
> [zðæt] feel good, baby?<br>
> [jə] have any luck?<br>
> <br>
> I look forward to reading the Gerken article mentioned by Adam, which<br>
> seems to capture my intuitions that whatever is going on here is at<br>
> least partly of a phonological nature.<br>
> <br>
> David<br>
> <br>
> On 01/11/2022 11:30, Cat Butz wrote:<br>
>> To me, it feels more like a morphosyntactic thing rather than a <br>
>> phonological one. Consider e.g.<br>
>> <br>
>> (Does that) Feel good, baby?<br>
>> (Did you) Have any luck?<br>
>> <br>
>> ---<br>
>> Cat Butz (she/they)<br>
>> HHU Düsseldorf, General Linguistics<br>
>> Institute of Language and Information<br>
>> <br>
>> Cat Butz (sie)<br>
>> HHU Düsseldorf, Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft<br>
>> Institut für Sprache und Information<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Am 2022-10-28 14:11, schrieb David Gil:<br>
>>> Dear all,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> English seems to have a rule which, under particular conditions,<br>
>>> allows for the first syllable of an utterance to be deleted. The<br>
>>> first example below is from a movie that I saw last night, the next<br>
>>> two are made up:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> (1) (What) The fuck happened to you?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> (2) (Are) You going home yet?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> (3) (I) Think it's gonna rain<br>
>>> <br>
>>> And there's also the formulaic "Wish you were here".<br>
>>> <br>
>>> My questions:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> 1. Has anybody written about this? Seems like it could be interesting<br>
>>> for a number of reasons.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> 2. Are there similar phenomena in other languages? (Haven't seen<br>
>>> anything like it in the other languages I happen to be familiar <br>
>>> with.)<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> David<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -- David Gil<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Senior Scientist (Associate)<br>
>>> Department of Linguistic and Cultural Evolution<br>
>>> Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology<br>
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> --<br>
> David Gil<br>
> <br>
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