<div dir="ltr">An interesting set of related nominals- lvkhaia, lvkhoa, lvhwahr (hr is a voiceless apical trill). ALl these forms may contain the vkka: I described in my first reply post, and refer 'seasons of general disease and mortality'- epidemics and such (the Yahgans experienced epidemics of European diseases in the 19th century which cut their populations from tens of thousands to several hundred by 1900).<div><br></div><div>Jess Tauber</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 7:45 PM Jess Tauber <<a href="mailto:tetrahedralpt@gmail.com">tetrahedralpt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Another Yahgan verb: hanasha (sh as in English) i. To exclaim, cry or make any sudden call, or cry, articulate or otherwise whether mo-ved to do so by pain, surprise, fear or joy. To cry out.<br><div>It may be partly composed of ha:sha 'exclaim', often reduced to -sha in the small handful of onomatopes in the language.</div><div><br></div><div>Jess Tauber</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 7:22 PM Adam Schembri <<a href="mailto:a.schembri@bham.ac.uk" target="_blank">a.schembri@bham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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오후</span> 1:13, PONSONNET Maia <<a href="mailto:maia.ponsonnet@cnrs.fr" target="_blank">maia.ponsonnet@cnrs.fr</a>> <span style="font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif">
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">I am starting a study on pain interjections and the phonetic material they are made of. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">Before I begin excavating individual lexical resources, I thought I'd put a request to the list. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">Would you be able to share the forms of pain interjection(s) in the languages you know?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">All I need is the form, with its <b>phonetic transcription </b>and any <b>prosodic information</b>; as well as its <b>semantic scope </b>(is it just pain or does it also express other experiences
eg surprise, fear...?). If you can flag a published source where the interjection is documented this is ideal. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">Also, if you can point to references containing lists of interjections (eg grammars), this will be extremely useful too.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">Many many thanks for your contributions, it is wonderful to be able to rely on such a knowledgeable and generous community. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">With kind regards, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">Maïa<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">De :</span></b><span style="color:black"> Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> de la part de John Mansfield <<a href="mailto:jbmansfield@gmail.com" target="_blank">jbmansfield@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 17 janvier 2023 23:46<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:eelienu@pm.me" target="_blank">eelienu@pm.me</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> [Lingtyp] Re. ELAN FLEx ELAN round trip (Eline Visser)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">
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been in Flex, it creates some kind of identifiers in the Flex database, then trying to re-import it with additional annotations always made it crash for me (even if I deleted the previous version of the text from Flex first).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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