<div dir="ltr"><div>Caro Raffaele,</div><div><br></div><div>I can cite two papers from Tohru Seraku, written from two different theoretical perspectives, where the author also presents or refers to data from a variety of languages, including Ryukyuan, Ilocano, Japanese and Mandarin:</div><div><br></div><div>Searku, Tohru. 2020. Placeholders in Yoron Ryukyuan: A view from Functional Discourse Grammar. <i>Lingua </i>245.</div><div></div><div>
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Seraku, Tohru. 2023. Grammars for placeholders: The dynamic turn.
<i>Glossa: a journal of general linguistics</i> 8(1).<br><br>Examples from another handful of languages are found in</p><p>Hengeveld, Kees & Evelien Keizer. 2011. Non-straightforward communication. <i>Journal of Pragmatics</i> 43, 1962–1976.</p><p>Hope this helps, best wishes,</p><p>Riccardo<br></p>
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Françoise Rose <<a href="mailto:francoise.rose@univ-lyon2.fr">francoise.rose@univ-lyon2.fr</a>> escreveu no dia quinta, 9/03/2023 à(s) 13:36:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg2544697696919568648">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am very sorry, I meant dear Raffaele !<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">(this reminds me of all the times I am called Rose)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>De la part de</b> Françoise Rose<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 9 mars 2023 13:33<br>
<b>À :</b> Raffaele Simone <<a href="mailto:raffaele.simone@uniroma3.it" target="_blank">raffaele.simone@uniroma3.it</a>>; <a href="mailto:LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Simone,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As a follow up to the 2010 volume mentioned by Timur, Brigitte Pakendorf and myself organized a workshop on fillers and placeholders at ALT this winter. They were talks on a variety of languages (I am pasting below the
program). The type of word you are referring to is called nominal placeholder in the literature. Their source can be a noun, but also a demonstrative or interrogative pronoun,… I am joining the call for abstracts, which includes some references.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Françoise</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">Dear friends and colleagues,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">I am preparing a paper on that group of general-generic words that are used to designate entities whose name you do not know or do not remember, or whose name you do not want to remember or that,
simply, have no name in a language. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">I’m referring to “nouns” like French "truc" and "machin", Italian "coso", "arnese", "aggeggio", or, for people, Italian "tizio", "tipo", Spanish "tío", “fulano”, English "dude" etc. They form
apparently a special word class and implement a particular way of designating.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">The situation in the European languages I am familiar with seems very fragmented and discontinuous: some languages do have sets of dedicated or semidedicated words for that function, but most
don’t, as far as I see.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">Does any of you have examples from other languages and, if any, bibliographic references?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">Raffaele</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="IT">Emeritus Professor, Università Roma Tre</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="IT">Hon C Lund University</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Membre de l'Académie Royale de Belgique</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Chevalier de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres de France</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Accademico (corrispondente) della Crusca</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Prix de l'Institut de France-Fondation Bonnefous 2022</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="IT">Attività e pubblicazioni // Activity and publications
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</div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Riccardo Giomi, Ph.D.<br></div>University of Liège</div><div dir="ltr">
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