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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin">Dear Adam, all,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin">In my analysis of Riau Indonesian (Gil 2020), I
discuss interlocking
constituencies of "P-Words" and "G-words", including cases
(p. 66 and elsewhere) which, adapting your notation, might be
represented as </span></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin;color:#4C1130">(1) [
... (...]p_word
... )g_word</span></span><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin">where square brackets and parentheses represent
"P-Words"
and "G-words" respectively. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin">As for the case you're interested in, that which
you represent as </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin;color:#4C1130">(2) (
... (...)p_word
... )g_word</span></span><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin">with P-Words wholly contained within G-words, I do
not discuss
this explicitly in Gil (2020) for the sole reason that it did
not seem to me to
be remarkable.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Under the
analysis proposed
in Gil (2020), the structure in (2) is associated with
reduplicated or compound
forms such as <i>rumah-rumah </i>(DISTR~house), which, in
accordance with your
notation, would have the structure</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin;color:#4C1130">(3)
((rumah)p_word (rumah)p_word)g_word</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin;color:#4C1130"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin;color:#4C1130">with
P-Words wholly contained within G-words. For arguments that <i>rumah-rumah</i>
is an instance of morphological reduplication rather than
syntactic repetition,
see Gil (2005).</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin;color:#4C1130">Final
comment: in terms
of Martin Haspelmath's distinction between descriptive
categories and
comparative concepts, my proposed </span></span><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin">"P-Words" and
"G-words" in Riau Indonesian are instances of descriptive
categories,
whose relationship to the comparative concepts of p-words and
g-words is hinted
at but left open in Gil (2020).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"> </span></p>
<p class="ReferencesT" style="mso-pagination:widow-orphan
lines-together"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"
lang="EN-US">Gil, David
(2005) "From Repetition to Reduplication in Riau Indonesian", in
B.
Hurch ed. <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Studies on
Reduplication</i>,
Empirical Approaches to Language Typology 28, Mouton de Gruyter,
Berlin, 31-64.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:27.0pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:
-27.0pt"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin">Gil,
David (2020) "What Does It Mean to Be an Isolating Language? The
Case of
Riau Indonesian", in D. Gil and A. Schapper eds., <i>Austronesian
Undressed: How and Why Languages Become Isolating</i>, John
Benjamins,
Amsterdam, 9-96.</span></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/03/2023 16:20, Adam James Ross
Tallman wrote:<br>
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<div>H<span class="gmail_default"
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all,</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
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</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">I'm
trying to gather sources on cases where researchers
specifically discuss elements or constructions whereby a
p-word is inside a g-word.<br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
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</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">(
... (...)p_word ... )gword<br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Woodbury
calls these "unclitics" and Zúñiga calls these
"anticlitics". Another well known article by Bickel et al.
argues that prefixes in Chintang can be regarded as p-words.<br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Anyone
have any recent studies to share on this? I'd be interested.
I'm specifically interested in researchers that take the
time to explain why their g-word in such cases should not be
considered a phrase (a "g-phrase"?). A related issue is why
the p-word should not be considered a p-stem or a smaller
prosodic constituent à la Downing inter alia. <br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">best,</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">p.s.
not interested in having a debate about whether these things
are real, just looking for sources. If you want to discuss
whether such constructions "exist" or whatever, I would
appreciate it if you started this on a different email
chain.<br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Adam<br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><font size="2"><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none;font-family:monospace">Zúñiga,
F.</span><span style="font-family:monospace"><br
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none">(Anti)-cliticization
in Mapudungun<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<em
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Morphology,<span
class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></em><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none"></span><b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">2014</b><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none">,
161-175</span></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none;font-family:monospace"></span><span
class="gmail_default"
style="color:rgb(76,17,48);font-family:monospace"></span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none;font-family:monospace">Bickel,
B.; Banjade, G.; Gaenszle, M.; Lieven, E.; Paudyal, N. P.;
Rai, I. P.; Rai, M.; Rai, N. K. & Stoll, S.</span><span
style="font-family:monospace"><br
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none">Free
Prefix Ordering in Chintang<span
class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<em
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Language,<span
class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></em><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none"></span><b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">2007</b><i
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">,
83</i><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none">,
42-73</span></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none;font-family:monospace"><span
class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(76,17,48)">Woodbury,
A.C.</span><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none;font-family:monospace">Atkan
Aleut "unclitic" pronouns and definiteness: A multimodular
analysis Pragmatics and Autolexical Grammar in honor of
Jerry Sadock, Benjamins, 2011, 125-141</span><span
class="gmail_default"
style="color:rgb(76,17,48);font-family:monospace"></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span class="gmail_default"
style="color:rgb(76,17,48);font-family:monospace">Downing,
L. J. & Kadenge, M.<br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span class="gmail_default"
style="color:rgb(76,17,48);font-family:monospace"></span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline;float:none;font-family:monospace">Re-placing
PStem in the prosodic hierarchy The Linguistic Review,
2020, 3, 433-461</span></font></div>
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