<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">Thanks everyone for your responses (Ian and David + private responders),</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">Great leads to look at!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">Here's another question ... have there been any phonologists who have proposed or assume that <i>all languages have feet</i>. I ask because I've had reviewer questions and conference questions that seem to presuppose this to be the case. I'd like to see the original arguments, if there are any.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">best,<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">Adam<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 7:20 AM Ian Maddieson <<a href="mailto:ianm@berkeley.edu">ianm@berkeley.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi all,<div><br></div><div>There must be many languages in which the concept of a foot is not found to be relevant<div>(see Sun-Ah Jun’s chapter "<span style="color:rgb(88,89,91);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.32px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:10.32px">Prosodic Typology: By Prominence Type, Word prosody, and Macro-rhythm"</span> </span>in </div><div><u>Prosodic Typology II</u> (edited by Sun-Ah) for some discussion. The notion of a foot does not seem to</div><div>useful for (standard) French, Korean, Yorùbá, among many others, though it can be pressed into service</div><div>in languages such as Thai and Mandarin. Since it’s an abstract notion, I’m not sure what phonetic</div><div>data would be capable of providing direct evidence either for or against the notion of a foot, though</div><div>if for example, vowel length was considered important in foot construction, data could confirm the</div><div>presence of greater length where it’s presence had been invoked to justify foot structure.</div><div><br></div><div>Ian</div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 5, 2023, at 09:16, Adam James Ross Tallman <<a href="mailto:ajrtallman@utexas.edu" target="_blank">ajrtallman@utexas.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hello all,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">In Caroline Féry's excellent <i>Prosodic Structure and Intonation</i>, she describes a class of "phrase languages", identified as languages whereby there isn't much going on at the level of the prosodic word. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">I was wondering if anyone had *described* explicitly a language where the same thing could be said of feet (neither iambic or trochaic)? Or perhaps even more radically, not just that the feet don't do much, but that they aren't there at all?<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Perhaps there's lots of cases where feet haven't been proposed, are there any cases where they had been proposed, but then further research (perhaps some phonetic study) found that there was no evidence for them?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">best,<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Adam<br clear="all"></div><br><span>-- </span><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="times new roman, serif">Adam J.R. Tallman</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="times new roman, serif">Post-doctoral Researcher <br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="times new roman, serif">Friedrich Schiller Universität<br></font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif">Department of English Studies<br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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