<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace">Hi Mark,</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(76,17,48)"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">



















<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">There are
actually philosophers who question Popper et al.’s view on falsification as a
criterion, so I was wondering whether this might be underlying what you were saying. These issues were brought up in the context of the “Linguistics
Wars” (Harris <i>The Linguistics Wars </i>2021). Here’s Lakoff, in an interview
with Huck & Goldsmith (a passage that I always floats through my mind in
these discussions)<span></span></span></font></p>

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<font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" role="presentation">thesis</span><span style="font-family:monospace"><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.15813);" role="presentation">made</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.17871);" role="presentation">no</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.12061);" role="presentation">sense</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.12907);" role="presentation">to</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.03161);" role="presentation">us.</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.12461);" role="presentation">But</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.13986);" role="presentation">for</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.10043);" role="presentation">Chomsky,</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.14957);" role="presentation">the</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.2024);" role="presentation">Quine-Duhem</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.05436);" role="presentation">thesis was</span></span></font><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" role="presentation"> important,</span><span style="font-family:monospace"><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.10868);" role="presentation">since</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.11196);" role="presentation">it</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.16425);" role="presentation">shielded</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.07475);" role="presentation">his</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.15472);" role="presentation">theories</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.13423);" role="presentation">from</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.10147);" role="presentation">possible</span><span role="presentation"> </span><span style="transform: scaleX(1.15347);" role="presentation">counterexamples.</span>” (Huck & Goldsmith <i>Ideology
and Linguistic Theory,</i> 115)<span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">While I do
not want to suggest that we should all become philosophers of science, I think
thinking about philosophical issues might help us be able to articulate the
differences underlying our views. It might actually help us understand what we
are talking about, whether we are talking past each other, and what is actually
at stake. Perhaps we just have 'cognitive' commitments that make research programs incompatible ... but maybe despite initial biases, we can still work together to test competing claims.<span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">One could, I
imagine, argue that while the notion of ‘foot’ is not directly testable
assuming a foot makes a number of other statements and perhaps universals
coherent: a sort of Lakatosian view that the foot forms part of the core of a
scientific paradigm not subject to direct empirical scrutiny. Or perhaps it is
a useful assumption for discovery – we learn so much by assuming something like
a foot is actually there. <span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">Or perhaps
the problem is not falsifiability itself, but the way we’re putting it into
practice: falsifiability need not refer to structural facts from a single
language – you need to have a broad sample of languages and show that the ‘foot’
is <i>not </i>a regulative principle in language structure, even if its
evidence is weak or absent in some cases.<span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">These
arguments do not frustrate me. What frustrates me is the assertion on the part
of some lingusits that a concept is well empirically supported, but then at the
same time the same linguist can’t give me a single case where the hypothesis
was put under serious empirical scrutiny and not just assumed.<span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">I think
though the criterion of “workability” (is the foot ever unworkable), or the
criterion of “bad idea” (is it ever a bad idea to adopt the foot?) is hard for
me to square with how I view science. All purposes are ultimately “workable”.
McCawley’s comments I think are pertinent here (in his summary of his article ‘Language
Universals in Linguistic Argumentation’:<span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt 35.4pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">“It [the article] deals with the role that the
notion ‘language universal’ has played in the argumentation of transformational
grammarians, especially with arguments in which conclusions are justified on
the basis of the claim that they allow one to maintain anguage universals that
alternative analyses would conflict with. I find the bulk of such arguments
worthless, since the putative universals generally are merely features
accidentally shared by analyses that the investigator or some reason happens to
like. <b>The investigator’s preferred type of analysis is always available at a
price, and in advancing the putative universal he</b> [sic] <b>is only expressing
his commitment to pay that price and to bully his fellow linguists into paying
it too</b>….” (McCawley <i>Thirty Million Theories of Grammar, </i>p.4).<span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">I think
similar issues arise with the “bad idea” argument… “bad” according to what
standards? If a linguist has staked their career on the assumption that foot
are universals, then the universal foot just becomes self-justifying: the foot
is never a bad idea, because its never a bad idea.<span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">I
understand there are some people that will never be convinced. But if we can
convince others in the field that they are in the same epistemic world as
defenders of flat earth theory (an obviously “good idea” which is always “workable”
for its practitioners), then insisting on testability has merits. <span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">But you did
point out a potential falsifying instance:<span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt 35.4pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">“Perhaps the sort of counterevidence that I’m
suggesting looking for might be a language that showed evidence for multiple
units between syl and phrase, and in which segmental and prosodic phenomena
referenced units both above and below one another – though I’m not aware of
such a language.“<span></span></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA">I have to
admit that I read this passage multiple times and just could not make sense of
it. So, you mean a process that happens at some <i>kappa </i>between syllable
and phrase, but that makes reference to syllables and phrases? Isn’t this just
how all “word” level stress assignment generally works? So you mean a process
that makes reference to syllables <i>and </i>phrase boundaries? That just
sounds like most phonological processes…</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace"><span lang="EN-CA">best, <br></span></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:monospace"><span lang="EN-CA">Adam</span></span><span style="font-family:monospace"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:monospace" lang="EN-CA"><span></span></span></font></p>

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</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 8:08 AM Mark Post <<a href="mailto:mark.post@sydney.edu.au">mark.post@sydney.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg674872670793850321">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi Adam,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">That’s a lot of questions, but FWIW – and freely admitting that I’m no philosopher of science – to the extent that a given style of argument basically inoculates itself from falsification
 through lack of positive evidence (you haven’t shown that it’s not <i>not</i> there…), its proponents are probably not going to find such efforts convincing, regardless of whatever you or I might think. I’m not necessarily endorsing that way of thinking, but
 to the extent that it exists, I’m asking whether we can find positive evidence that assuming a “foot” for a particular language is actually a
<i>bad idea</i>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I’m interested in this because, under the assumption that “foot” is the focus of prosodic phenomena exclusively (not, e.g., segmental phenomena that could not be attributed to syl
 or wd; if this is wrong I’d be happy to be corrected), it seems useful to assume this unit of analysis for cross-linguistic comparison even if, for a particular language, “foot” turned out to be isomorphic with, for example, “word” as defined through segmental
 criteria (and assuming that most analysts would not adopt the reverse approach – attributing segmental phenomena to the “foot”, and doing away with “word” – though in principle, I suppose one could). Perhaps the sort of counterevidence that I’m suggesting
 looking for might be a language that showed evidence for multiple units between syl and phrase, and in which segmental and prosodic phenomena referenced units both above and below one another – though I’m not aware of such a language. 
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I think this is a little bit different from the other types of case you mentioned, as at least in principle, “foot”
<i>could</i> have a universal functional motivation in prosodic organisation (e.g. rhythm), as opposed to being just a formal structure.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Mark<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Adam James Ross Tallman <<a href="mailto:ajrtallman@utexas.edu" target="_blank">ajrtallman@utexas.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 8 May 2023 at 3:17 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Mark Post <<a href="mailto:mark.post@sydney.edu.au" target="_blank">mark.post@sydney.edu.au</a>>, <a href="mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG" target="_blank">LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a> <<a href="mailto:LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Lingtyp] languages without feet?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)">Mark: this is an interesting comment, as it is typically used to argue in favor of the universality of structures cross-linguistically.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)" lang="X-NONE">I’m not sure whether or not there are languages for which that would not be true – i.e. in which assuming a foot level not only adds nothing, but leads to a less insightful
 or unworkable analysis. To me, that’s a more interesting question than whether or not we
<i>have</i> to identify a foot distinct from syllable and word for any given language to sustain a particular prosodic analysis (lack of positive evidence not generally being taken as negative evidence in theorizing about UG).</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)">"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)">Perhaps I'm missing some crucial assumption, but I don't understand this formulation. Should it not be up to those
<i>pushing </i>theoretical claims that the conditions for the falsifiability of their theories be clear? If someone is making a claim that some structure is universal, should it really be an
<i>open question </i>how they could ever conceivably be wrong? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)">Nespor & Vogel (2007:11) make a similar argument regarding layers of the prosodic hierarchy. They argue that if one does not find evidence for a given layer of the prosodic
 hierarchy one is not necessarily warranted in assuming that the layer is not present. So one of the reasons that the prosodic hierarchy hypothesis seems like it has wide empirical coverage is because it is basically let off the hook for accounting for cases
 where there seems to be no evidence for its domains. And the reverse is true as well it turns out (too many domains? just posit some are not related to the theory). I've heard the same argument used to justify the vP shell, the argument for binary branching
 in all languages, and, of course, for the universal foot as well. It's been insisted that if I don't want to adopt the foot I should provide evidence
<i>against </i>its presence (... against the presence of something invisible).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)">When are we justified in saying that positing a particular formal structure is "unworkable", especially when such structures are indeterminately abstract, especially
 if we are willing to admit that the structure need not have any empirical content? Are we not constructing a hypothesis that is fundamentally unfalsifiable? Or is the claim here that falsifiability is not a good criterion for scientific status?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)">And in linguistic descriptions, in the long run, doesn't presuming evidence for a structure when none can be found present a misleading picture of typological variation?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)">best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 6:39 AM Mark Post <</span><a href="mailto:mark.post@sydney.edu.au" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt">mark.post@sydney.edu.au</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt">> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi folks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Just briefly, I think Enfield’s recent analysis of prosodic structure in Lao<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://protect-au.mimecast.com/s/Ekg-CBNqjlCDR14oJfzjmDr?domain=doi.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt">https://doi.org/10.1093/oso/9780198865681.003.0007</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="X-NONE">…which I think also holds for Thai, suggests that while it may be
<i>possible</i> to handle prosodic phenomena at the word level – basically by proliferating word “types” – it’s more
<i>desirable</i> to handle prosodic phenomena at the sub-word level – so it’s not really a case of shoehorning the data into a particular model for at least those lgs.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="X-NONE">I’m not sure whether or not there are languages for which that would not be true – i.e. in which assuming a foot level not only adds
 nothing, but leads to a less insightful or unworkable analysis. To me, that’s a more interesting question than whether or not we
<i>have</i> to identify a foot distinct from syllable and word for any given language to sustain a particular prosodic analysis (lack of positive evidence not generally being taken as negative evidence in theorizing about UG).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="X-NONE">Cheers</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="X-NONE">Mark</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Lingtyp <</span><a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">>
 on behalf of Kirsten <</span><a href="mailto:kirstenculhane@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">kirstenculhane@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, 7 May 2023 at 00:03<br>
<b>To: </b>Adam James Ross Tallman <</span><a href="mailto:ajrtallman@utexas.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">ajrtallman@utexas.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b></span><a href="mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> <</span><a href="mailto:LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Lingtyp] languages without feet?</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi Adam and everyone else,<br>
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The Strict Layer Hypothesis assumes that foot structure —as for other prosodic domains — is present in all languages. I get the impression, however, that the lack of evidence or foot structure in many languages hasn't been problematised in the same way as for
 the syllable and word - e.g. Hyman's analysis of Gokana, Sheiring et al's re: Vietnamese (one exception is Özçelik 2017's paper The Foot is not an obligatory constituent of the Prosodic Hierarchy: “stress” in Turkish, French and child English).<br>
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Anyway, underlying much of the discussion here is ultimately the question of what constitutes evidence for foot structure, and what is the relationship between foot structure and stress. I think there's good reasons not to treat stress as evidence for foot
 structure (you can account for stress without foot structure, and empirical evidence for stress both complex and lacking for many languages). This issue is the focus of my current paper in Linguistic typology, and is discussed in more detail in my forthcoming
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)">Here's another question ... have there been any phonologists who have proposed or assume that
<i>all languages have feet</i>. I ask because I've had reviewer questions and conference questions that seem to presuppose this to be the case. I'd like to see the original arguments, if there are any.</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 By Prominence Type, Word prosody, and Macro-rhythm"</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:rgb(88,89,91);background:white"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt">in <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">if for example, vowel length was considered important in foot construction, data could confirm the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">presence of greater length where it’s presence had been invoked to justify foot structure.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i>Prosodic Structure and Intonation</i>, she describes a class of "phrase languages", identified as languages whereby there isn't much going on at the level of the prosodic word.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(76,17,48)">I was wondering if anyone had *described* explicitly a language where the same thing could be said of feet
 (neither iambic or trochaic)? Or perhaps even more radically, not just that the feet don't do much, but that they aren't there at all?</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 but then further research (perhaps some phonetic study) found that there was no evidence for them?</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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