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Dear Tom,<br>
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I can see that you have already received relevant answers to your
question that may also solve your terminological problem. Anyway,
just a side-remark on the latter:<br>
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The term <i>conative</i> that was suggested does not appear to
quite match the function that you described. The conatives that I
know indicate (in consonance with the meaning of Latin <i>conari</i>)
an action that was tried, whereas you require a term for an action
that finally succeeded.<br>
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I am, of course, far from objecting against the idea of naming a
grammatical category after our esteemed colleague Nigel. As we all
know, this is an well-established naming procedure in other
disciplines such as biology. However, if the idea was to name it
based on the Latin verb <i>vincere</i>, the term would be <i>victive</i>,
not <i>vincentive</i>. Compare <i>perfective</i>, not <i>perficientive</i>.<br>
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Apologies for making fuss over minor matters, with my best wishes,<br>
Christian<br>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 11. Mai 2023 21:04<br>
<b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Greetings.
We have recently come across two
constructions in a Philippine language that
we need a good term for. These are
morphosyntactic constructions involving a
dependent verb form and unusual case
marking. The meaning of both constructions
is that the actor accomplished the activity
after overcoming some obstacle. With one
construction, the obstacle is understood as
internal/psychological, while with the other
the obstacle is more external. Translation
into English is challenging, but the senses
lie somewhere in the areas of “be able to
VERB” and “manage to VERB”, though there is
a distinct abilitive construction. We are
considering the term “vincentive” for these
constructions, based on the Latin verb
vincere. We would appreciate any and all
suggestions on this term, or other
possibilities. Also, if anyone else has
encountered such a construction, we would
very much like to hear about it.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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you.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Payne and Voltaire Oyzon</span></p>
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