<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Dear Christian,<div><br></div><div>Japanese also has /b/ and /p/, just not at the word-initial position of native words (they are present word-initially in ideophones and loanwords). So the presence of labial stops in the onset position would by itself not necessarily negate the lenition from /p-/ to /h-/, as /p/ can remain in other positions and/or re-emerge via other changes.<br><br>I don't think I've seem a [bilabial] feature but there is indeed a [labial] feature, used in databases like PanPhon or Phoible. PanPhon only assigns [+labial] to high rounded vowels and not lower rounded vowels like /o/, so that is in line with /u/ provoking /ɸ/ but not other rounded vowels. Phoible assigns [+labial] to all rounded vowels, though.<br><br><div dir="ltr">Regards,<div>Ian</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">2023. 5. 20. 오전 9:31, Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de> 작성:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<div class="moz-signature">Dear all,<br>
<br>
many thanks for your helpful answers so far. For additional
clarification, here are the Cabecar phoneme inventories:<br>
<ol>
<li>
<p style="page-break-inside: avoid; margin-top: 0.42cm;
margin-bottom: 0.21cm; page-break-after: avoid" align="left"><a name="__RefNumPara__582785_129293691" moz-do-not-send="true"></a> <font face="Cambria, serif"><font style="font-size: 11pt" size="2"><i>Oral vowel phonemes
in strong syllables</i></font></font></p>
</li>
</ol>
<table style="page-break-inside: avoid" width="367" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5">
<colgroup> <col width="81"> </colgroup> <colgroup> <col width="81"> <col width="106"> <col width="57"> </colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: none; border-left: 1px solid
#000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="81" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: none; border-left: 1px solid
#000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="81" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">front</font></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px
solid #000000; border-bottom: none; border-left: 1px solid
#000000; border-right: 1px solid #000000; padding: 0cm
0.12cm" width="173" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">back</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: none;
border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid
#000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="81" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: none;
border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid
#000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="81" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: none;
border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid
#000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="106" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">unrounded</font></p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: none;
border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid
#000000; border-right: 1px solid #000000; padding: 0cm
0.12cm" width="57" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">rounded</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody> <tbody>
<tr>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="81" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western"> <font face="Cambria, serif">high</font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom:
none; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="81">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx">i</span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom:
none; border-left: none; border-right: none; padding: 0cm" width="106">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom:
none; border-left: none; border-right: 1px solid #000000;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm;
padding-right: 0.12cm" width="57">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx">u</span></font></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="81" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western"> <font face="Cambria, serif">half-high</font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="81">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx">ɪ</span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="106">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx">ɤ</span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: none; border-right: 1px solid #000000;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm;
padding-right: 0.12cm" width="57">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx">ʊ</span></font></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="81" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western"> <font face="Cambria, serif">half-low</font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="81">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx">ɛ</span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="106">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: none; border-right: 1px solid #000000;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm;
padding-right: 0.12cm" width="57">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx">ɔ</span></font></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="81" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western"> <font face="Cambria, serif">low</font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid
#000000; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right:
none; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="81">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid
#000000; border-left: none; border-right: none; padding:
0cm" width="106">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx">a</span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid
#000000; border-left: none; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm;
padding-left: 0cm; padding-right: 0.12cm" width="57">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p class="western">Plus nasal vowels.<br>
</p>
<br>
<ol>
<li>
<p style="page-break-inside: avoid; margin-top: 0.42cm;
margin-bottom: 0.21cm; page-break-after: avoid" align="left"><a name="__RefNumPara__582802_129293691" moz-do-not-send="true"></a> <font face="Cambria, serif"><font style="font-size: 11pt" size="2"><i>Consonantal phonemes</i></font></font></p>
</li>
</ol>
<table width="477" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5">
<colgroup> <col width="31"> </colgroup> <colgroup> <col width="65"> </colgroup> <colgroup> <col width="70"> </colgroup>
<colgroup> <col width="59"> <col width="44"> <col width="47">
<col width="35"> <col width="43"> </colgroup> <tbody>
<tr>
<td colspan="3" style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px
solid #000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="186" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="left"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">articulation place</font></p>
<p class="western" align="left"><font face="Cambria,
serif">mode</font></p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="59" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">bilabial</font></p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="44" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">dental</font></p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="47" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">palatal</font></p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="35" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">velar</font></p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border: 1px solid #000000;
padding: 0cm 0.12cm" width="43" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">glottal</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody> <tbody>
<tr>
<td rowspan="3" style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px
solid #000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="31" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="left"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">stop</font></p>
</td>
<td rowspan="2" style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px
solid #000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="65" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="left"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">voiceless</font></p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="70" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="left"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">plain</font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom:
none; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="59">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">p</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom:
none; border-left: none; border-right: none; padding: 0cm" width="44">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">t</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom:
none; border-left: none; border-right: none; padding: 0cm" width="47">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom:
none; border-left: none; border-right: none; padding: 0cm" width="35">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">k</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom:
none; border-left: none; border-right: 1px solid #000000;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm;
padding-right: 0.12cm" width="43">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="70" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="left"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">aspirated</font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="59">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">pʰ</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="44">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">tʰ</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="47">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="35">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">kʰ</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: none; border-right: 1px solid #000000;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm;
padding-right: 0.12cm" width="43">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="65" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="left"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">voiced</font></p>
</td>
<td style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px solid
#000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left:
1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0cm;
padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0.12cm; padding-right:
0cm" width="70" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="left"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="59">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">b</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="44">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">d</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="47">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">ɟ</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="35">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: none; border-right: 1px solid #000000;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm;
padding-right: 0.12cm" width="43">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="3" style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px
solid #000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="186" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="left"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">fricative</font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="59">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="44">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">s</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="47">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">ʃ</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border: none; padding: 0cm" width="35">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: none;
border-left: none; border-right: 1px solid #000000;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm;
padding-right: 0.12cm" width="43">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">h</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="3" style="background: #e0e0e0; border-top: 1px
solid #000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="186" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<p class="western" align="left"> <font face="Cambria,
serif">liquid</font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid
#000000; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right:
none; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left:
0.12cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="59">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid
#000000; border-left: none; border-right: none; padding:
0cm" width="44">
<p class="western" align="center"> <font color="#3366ff"><font face="Cambria, serif"><span lang="zxx"><font face="Cambria, serif">ɺ</font></span></font></font></p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid
#000000; border-left: none; border-right: none; padding:
0cm" width="47">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid
#000000; border-left: none; border-right: none; padding:
0cm" width="35">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid
#000000; border-left: none; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm;
padding-left: 0cm; padding-right: 0.12cm" width="43">
<p class="western" align="center"> <br>
</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<br>
<br>
As may be seen, there is plenty of bilabial stops, but no labial
fricatives; there is no [f] even at the phonetic level.<br>
<br>
While the change from [p] via [ɸ] to [h] seems to be the solution
for the Japanese and Cariban facts, the Cabecar system would not
seem to encourage positing it for this language.<br>
<br>
The details of the alternation of [h] ~ [ɸ] remain to be
ascertained. At any rate, there is free variation [h] ~ [x] (or
maybe [χ]).<br>
<br>
I am aware that [u] [ɯ] and [ɸ] share a bilabial articulation -
although this would require qualification for [ɯ]. However, I have
never seen a <u>phonological</u> feature [bilabial]. Maybe I must
revive Jakobson's [flat]. Or is all of this old-fashioned
thinking?<br>
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Greetings, Christian<br>
-- <br>
<p style="font-size:90%">Prof. em. Dr. Christian Lehmann<br>
Rudolfstr. 4<br>
99092 Erfurt<br>
<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Deutschland</span></p>
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