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</b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Hans Götzsche <goetzsche@ikp.aau.dk><br>
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<span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject:
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<span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date:
</b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">21 August 2023 at 15.44.46 CEST<br>
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</b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Vladimir Panov <panovmeister@gmail.com><br>
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Dear Vladimir,</div>
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allow me a late comment. I have no remarks on Christian Lehman’s comment, so I shall only mention that the notion of ‘argument’ in theoretical linguistics has, to my knowledge, ‘slipped through the back door’, via formal approaches, from mathematics, presumably
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<span style="font-kerning: none">An independent variable of a function</span><span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica; font-size-adjust: none; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; font-kerning: none;">.</span></div>
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<span style="font-kerning: none">I first encountered the technical use of the word
<i>argument</i> at my ‘first course in formal logic’ (many years ago), and the use of the term in linguistics is one of the reasons why I decided to develop ‘my own’ nomenclature in formal syntax. As is well known the way we, as linguists, use the myriad of
technical terms depends on what club (guild, brotherhood, you choose) we are members of, and taken as a set of words covering all bits and pieces of (by some called) “the language sciences” the set is full of inconsistences, and sometimes contradictions. Thus,
it is not quite true that “we all use the term “argument structure””, and I only use the word
<i>argument</i> in the context of formal logic. The aim of my development mentioned above, which was published in</span></div>
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<span style="font-kerning: none; background-color: #ffffff"><b>Deviational Syntactic Structures</b></span><span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; font-kerning: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">†</span></div>
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was to establish a nomenclature that was both consistent and would be able to cover all language domains, from speech sounds to semantics (but, so far, not pragmatics; which I prefer to see as a matter of cultural codifications). This was in line with the well
known and acknowledged Danish tradition in Theoretical Linguistics (some scholars remember Rasmus Rask and Karl Verner, to name a few) and it was based on ideas by Otto Jespersen and Louis Hjelmslev – as for the formal systems – and the empirical achievements
of the grammarian Paul Diderichsen. My suggestions were not all cheered by Danish linguistists, but the formal system – comparable to, e.g.,
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Montague grammar – was the first and only amalgamation of Hjelmslev’s <i>Glossematics</i> and the descriptive tradition of Danish syntax.</span></div>
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<span style="font-kerning: none">I once read a ‘Dear Sir’ letter to a Danish newspaper in which the writer offered the opinion (in translation): “why don’t everybody use words the way I do; it would make everything much easier”. But, of course, adopting such
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<div>I have a very general question to you. We all use the term "argument structure" and we are used to semantic labels like A, S or P or syntactic labels like subject, direct and indirect object. Many linguistis, especially those adhering to "formal" approaches,
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<div>Is anybody aware of any attempts to seriously challenge the adequacy of the very notion of "arguments" in general? After all, ir seems that there are languages which do not encode or encode little the "roles" of named entities (noun phrases, pronouns etc.)
anywhere in utterance, especially in colloquial language, or encode entities like the addressee rather than the agent or the patient. My intuition tells me that there might be such critical works in the traditions of usage-based linguistics, interactional
linguistics, conversation analysis or linguistic anthropology but I have found very little. Actually, I've only discovered the very recent Heine's book in which he argues for a broader understanding of argument structure which includes speech situation participants
- a very interestinng view. So am looking for more research in this spirit.</div>
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<div>I'm sorry if it sounds a bit confusing but if anything like that comes to you mind I'll be happy if you can share it.</div>
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<div><i>I condemn the Russian agression in Ukraine</i></div>
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