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This dissertation aims to explain why speakers and writers use how in the communicative contexts in which they do, and its central claim is that how is a signal of one invariant meaning. The form’s diverse communicative contributions can be explained by hypothesizing
a single meaning that contributes to different message effects, or contextual interpretations, on different occasions of its use. The present analysis rests on the crucial distinction in Columbia School (CS) linguistics, the theoretical framework guiding this
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<div>Dear Prof Lehmann,</div>
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<div>In a Columbia School (Diverian) framework, Andrew McCormick (cc'd) suggests that
<i>how</i> is not a 'complementiser' in the traditional sense and does not form a paradigmatic contrast with
<i>that</i> but with the <i>wh</i>-words, which collectively signal Elaboration; <i>
how</i> is the residual member of the category that does not signal Elaboration on person, reason, time, place etc.</div>
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<div>Diver's Deixis-based analysis of <i>that</i>, by contrast, suggests that <i>
that</i> instructs the listener to focus a bit of attention on something, in this case the following clause, without a sense of Elaboration.</div>
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Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between <br>
'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner <br>
passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
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Thanks in advance,<br>
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Christian<br>
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Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on the Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply distinguished as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best ? Juergen<br>
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Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
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Thanks in advance,<br>
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Christian<br>
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where subordination by 'that' conveys indirect perception?<br>
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Am 27.08.2023 um 10:38 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:<br>
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> Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on <br>
> the Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply <br>
> distinguished as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best <br>
> ? Juergen<br>
><br>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)<br>
> Professor, Department of Linguistics<br>
> University at Buffalo<br>
><br>
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> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260<br>
> Phone: (716) 645 0127<br>
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> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between <br>
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> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
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From: Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>><br>
To: Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>>,<br>
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Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure where. See for example here:<br>
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<a href="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" originalsrc="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" shash="p4Ev7JogKe53dPQ4sKsWci/m9NtTS9bRYZLDxGAqFLTLRtgM1delp8L1Jqrb0ht12cDq1/Rm4QCq+UoGptGWN9QRUDc8d9/E13/4HaoLRz/r3KfPL3layX3drbXlJ/ME42stU7O5ECHxdx9elw/okC5iLf3GMXDxw5vQVz05u1E=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y</a><br>
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Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<br>
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 10:49:11 -0600<br>
From: Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>><br>
To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although <br>
alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, that <br>
every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an <br>
inference. It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such that <br>
subordination by something like 'how' is the marked variant insisting on <br>
event perception.<br>
<br>
Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:<br>
><br>
> Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional <br>
> inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly <br>
> been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure <br>
> where. See for example here:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" originalsrc="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" shash="T96HNxpD3Kbup7QJkiusV425T051EcHWz82vK1E994YSebOvZS4LjZSFu1LALxh0DN+yh4FKlvqqgXxLJuDnxJhxI0PIcqiv5mfdRfkix9qWm0tKxM4dsCfg161Mo+0MufAyPElKRlQGh6yUZ59nHbm3x7KPpRQHvTW3MI12GGo=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
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> <<a href="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" originalsrc="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" shash="T96HNxpD3Kbup7QJkiusV425T051EcHWz82vK1E994YSebOvZS4LjZSFu1LALxh0DN+yh4FKlvqqgXxLJuDnxJhxI0PIcqiv5mfdRfkix9qWm0tKxM4dsCfg161Mo+0MufAyPElKRlQGh6yUZ59nHbm3x7KPpRQHvTW3MI12GGo=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y</a>><br>
><br>
> Best ? Juergen<br>
><br>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)<br>
> Professor, Department of Linguistics<br>
> University at Buffalo<br>
><br>
> Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus<br>
> Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260<br>
> Phone: (716) 645 0127<br>
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> *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between <br>
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner <br>
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance,<br>
><br>
> Christian<br>
><br>
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:02:39 +0000<br>
From: Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>><br>
To: Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of markedness:<br>
<br>
Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite and nonfinite complements.<br>
<br>
Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community frequently communicate about both event perception and propositional inference.<br>
<br>
In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.<br>
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Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold contemporaneously with the perception event.<br>
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One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.<br>
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Best ? Juergen<br>
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From: Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>><br>
Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49<br>
To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>,
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
<br>
Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, that every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an inference. It would rather appear to be the unmarked
variant, such that subordination by something like 'how' is the marked variant insisting on event perception.<br>
Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:<br>
Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure where. See for example here:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" originalsrc="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" shash="T96HNxpD3Kbup7QJkiusV425T051EcHWz82vK1E994YSebOvZS4LjZSFu1LALxh0DN+yh4FKlvqqgXxLJuDnxJhxI0PIcqiv5mfdRfkix9qWm0tKxM4dsCfg161Mo+0MufAyPElKRlQGh6yUZ59nHbm3x7KPpRQHvTW3MI12GGo=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y</a><br>
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Best ? Juergen<br>
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Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
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Thanks in advance,<br>
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Christian<br>
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From: Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>><br>
To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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Agreed. I was extrapolating from the Cabecar facts; but in fact, the <br>
formal development of a functional contrast in terms of a markedness <br>
opposition is a matter of every language's grammar.<br>
<br>
Am 27.08.2023 um 11:02 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:<br>
><br>
> I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of <br>
> markedness:<br>
><br>
> Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite <br>
> and nonfinite complements.<br>
><br>
> Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community <br>
> frequently communicate about both event perception and propositional <br>
> inference.<br>
><br>
> In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an <br>
> attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements <br>
> become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.<br>
><br>
> Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional <br>
> inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event <br>
> perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold <br>
> contemporaneously with the perception event.<br>
><br>
> One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference <br>
> contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event <br>
> perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.<br>
><br>
> Best ? Juergen<br>
><br>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)<br>
> Professor, Department of Linguistics<br>
> University at Buffalo<br>
><br>
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> *From: *Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>><br>
> *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49<br>
> *To: *Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>,
<br>
> <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a> <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
> *Subject: *Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
><br>
> Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although <br>
> alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, <br>
> that every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an <br>
> inference. It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such <br>
> that subordination by something like 'how' is the marked variant <br>
> insisting on event perception.<br>
><br>
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:<br>
><br>
> Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional<br>
> inference?. ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly<br>
> been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure<br>
> where. See for example here:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" originalsrc="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" shash="Wvzp3F2QmLQnPFlsFfmdrmGupPczQwBkQa7NZZF7HftZtlSNxI5CNfkZ0pkciLtM5ZWsMUKM60zZ+ffidqkdBihxmHOMhkgmsVP9bgADTiD74nJSDxU6nUo6MnsIrreaxLwVkT0Cm8PCcCxAXaNaTaUev8Oix/d5fcvlxsOQ7mk=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y</a><br>
> <<a href="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" originalsrc="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" shash="Wvzp3F2QmLQnPFlsFfmdrmGupPczQwBkQa7NZZF7HftZtlSNxI5CNfkZ0pkciLtM5ZWsMUKM60zZ+ffidqkdBihxmHOMhkgmsVP9bgADTiD74nJSDxU6nUo6MnsIrreaxLwVkT0Cm8PCcCxAXaNaTaUev8Oix/d5fcvlxsOQ7mk=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y</a>><br>
><br>
> Best ? Juergen<br>
><br>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)<br>
> Professor, Department of Linguistics<br>
> University at Buffalo<br>
><br>
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> *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33<br>
> *To: *<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>
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> *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
><br>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast<br>
> between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how<br>
> the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance,<br>
><br>
> Christian<br>
><br>
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 19:26:17 +0200<br>
From: Riccardo Giomi <<a href="mailto:rgiomi@campus.ul.pt" target="_blank">rgiomi@campus.ul.pt</a>><br>
To: Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>><br>
Cc: Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
I would find "event clause" vs "manner clause" (hence, "event perception" *vs<br>
"*manner perception") equally acceptable. She saw the event taking place *vs<br>
*she saw in which way the event took place.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Riccardo<br>
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Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>> escreveu no dia<br>
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> Agreed. I was extrapolating from the Cabecar facts; but in fact, the<br>
> formal development of a functional contrast in terms of a markedness<br>
> opposition is a matter of every language's grammar.<br>
> Am 27.08.2023 um 11:02 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:<br>
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> I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of markedness:<br>
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> Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite and<br>
> nonfinite complements.<br>
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> Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community frequently<br>
> communicate about both event perception and propositional inference.<br>
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> In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an<br>
> attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements<br>
> become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.<br>
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> Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional<br>
> inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event<br>
> perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold<br>
> contemporaneously with the perception event.<br>
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> One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference<br>
> contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event<br>
> perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.<br>
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> Best ? Juergen<br>
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> *From: *Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>><br>
> <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>><br>
> *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49<br>
> *To: *Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>> <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>,<br>
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> *Subject: *Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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> Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although<br>
> alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, that<br>
> every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an inference.<br>
> It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such that subordination<br>
> by something like 'how' is the marked variant insisting on event perception.<br>
><br>
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:<br>
><br>
> Yes. Personally, I like ?event perception? vs. ?propositional inference?.<br>
> ?Event perception? for the ?direct? case has certainly been used elsewhere,<br>
> though I would have to google it to be sure where. See for example here:<br>
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> <a href="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" originalsrc="https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y" shash="Wvzp3F2QmLQnPFlsFfmdrmGupPczQwBkQa7NZZF7HftZtlSNxI5CNfkZ0pkciLtM5ZWsMUKM60zZ+ffidqkdBihxmHOMhkgmsVP9bgADTiD74nJSDxU6nUo6MnsIrreaxLwVkT0Cm8PCcCxAXaNaTaUev8Oix/d5fcvlxsOQ7mk=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
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> Best ? Juergen<br>
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><br>
><br>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)<br>
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> *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
><br>
> Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between<br>
> 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner<br>
> passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance,<br>
><br>
> Christian<br>
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:18:38 -0600<br>
From: Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:rgiomi@campus.ul.pt" target="_blank">rgiomi@campus.ul.pt</a><br>
Cc: Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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Following up on J?rgen's suggestion, I can now report that formal <br>
semanticists call it event perception (dependent clause introduced by <br>
/how/) vs. fact perception (introduced by /that/).<br>
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From: Zygmunt Frajzyngier <<a href="mailto:zygmunt.frajzyngier@colorado.edu" target="_blank">zygmunt.frajzyngier@colorado.edu</a>><br>
To: Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>>, Juergen<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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Christian,<br>
This is what we proposed and argued for in our 1991 paper:<br>
Frajzyngier, Zygmunt, and Robert Jasperson. 1991f. That clauses and other complements. Lingua 83.133-153.<br>
All best,<br>
Zygmunt<br>
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Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:40 AM<br>
To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>,
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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where subordination by 'that' conveys indirect perception?<br>
Am 27.08.2023 um 10:38 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:<br>
Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on the Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply distinguished as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best ? Juergen<br>
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Subject: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
<br>
Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 03:17:12 +0200<br>
From: MM Jocelyne Fernandez <<a href="mailto:mmjocelynefern@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmjocelynefern@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: clinique v?t?rinaire <<a href="mailto:cliniquechat@hotmail.fr" target="_blank">cliniquechat@hotmail.fr</a>>,<br>
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Subject: [Lingtyp] nouvelles de Bruma?n et Sigurst<br>
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Bonjour Docteur Lemoing,<br>
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Suite ? vos recommandations, Bruma?n a continu? de prendre son <br>
m?dicament ? la? penicilline et surmont? la crise? infectieuse. Elle est <br>
assez? faible et reste ?tendue sur mon lit la plupart du temps, mais <br>
elle sort aussi un peu sur la terrasse. Apr?s son 17e anniversaire, que <br>
nous avons f?t? avec mon fils et sa compagne venus de Londres,les go?ts <br>
alimentaires de Bruma?n ont ?volu?: elle refuse le yaourt du soir mais <br>
r?clame du lait de brebis au petit-d?jeuner; elle ne buvait plus de lait <br>
depuis au moins 15 ans, et ce n'est pas tr?s bon pour son intestin, mais <br>
je lui laisse l?cher le fond de mon bol. Je vous la ram?nerai pour des <br>
examens d?s notre retour ? Paris d?but septembre.<br>
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??? Sigurst, elle, va plut?t bien, apr?s avoir travers? une nouvelle <br>
crise de plaies multiples, soign?e ? la cortisone. C'est une redoutable <br>
chasseresse,: elle poursuit les araign?es sous les meubles, et m'apporte <br>
tous les soirs de grosses sauterelles, que j'essaie de sauver avant <br>
qu'elle leur ait cass? les pattes.<br>
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??? Ci-joint quelques photos de ces deux demoiselles en situation. <br>
Bonne fin de vacances et ? bient?t!<br>
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??? MMJocelyne Fernandez<br>
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 06:48:36 +0000<br>
From: Anna Sj?berg <<a href="mailto:anna.sjoberg@ling.su.se" target="_blank">anna.sjoberg@ling.su.se</a>><br>
To: Zygmunt Frajzyngier <<a href="mailto:zygmunt.frajzyngier@colorado.edu" target="_blank">zygmunt.frajzyngier@colorado.edu</a>>, Christian<br>
Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>>, Juergen Bohnemeyer<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs<br>
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Horie (2001) contains a section on the semantics of different complementation strategies, including terminology. Direct vs. indirect perception or event vs. proposition perception (also second-order vs. third-order entities (Lyons 1989)) are mentioned, also
percept. vs concept (Bolinger 1971) and immediate perception constructions vs. mental perception constructions (Dik & Hengeveld 1991).<br>
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Best,<br>
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Anna Sj?berg<br>
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Bolinger, Dwight. 1974. "Concept and percept: two infinitive constructions and their vicissitudes". In: World papers in phonetics: festschrift for Dr. Onishi's kizyu. Tokyo: The Phonetic Society of Japan, 65? 91.<br>
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Dik, Simon C. & Hengeveld, Kees. 1991. "The hierarchical structure of the clause and the typology of perception-verb complements". Linguistics 29: 231-259.<br>
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Horie, Kaoru. 2001. Complement clauses. In: Haspelmath, Martin, Ekkehard K?nig, Wulf Oesterreicher, and Wolfgang Raible (eds.), Language Typology and Language Universals : An International Handbook vol 2, 979-993. Berlin/New York: Walter de Gruyter<br>
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Lyons, John. 1989. "Semantic ascent: a neglected aspect of syntactic typology". In: Arnold, Doug & Atkinson, Martin & Durand, Jacques & Grover, Claire & Sadler, Louisa, (eds.). Essays on grammatical theory and universal grammar. Oxford: Oxford University Press,
153 ? 186.<br>
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Skickat: den 27 augusti 2023 22:56:20<br>
Till: Christian Lehmann; Juergen Bohnemeyer; <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">
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Christian,<br>
This is what we proposed and argued for in our 1991 paper:<br>
Frajzyngier, Zygmunt, and Robert Jasperson. 1991f. That clauses and other complements. Lingua 83.133-153.<br>
All best,<br>
Zygmunt<br>
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Date: Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:40 AM<br>
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where subordination by 'that' conveys indirect perception?<br>
Am 27.08.2023 um 10:38 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:<br>
Dear Christian ? In Role & Reference Grammar, specifically the work on the Interclausal Relations Hierarchy, the two readings are simply distinguished as ?direct perception? vs. ?indirect perception.? ? Best ? Juergen<br>
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Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)<br>
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