<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Dear Jesus Francisco,<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I do not know the language, but the translation you provide puzzles me. It would rather suggest:<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">'The bunny came to the party before (= until then not) the turtle did'</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I might be wrong of course, but this is reminiscent of the way you would say 'before' in Ayoreo, namely <i>uje cama</i> 'when not yet'.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">My two cents.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Pier Marco</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mer 6 set 2023 alle ore 23:00 Jesus Francisco Olguin Martinez <<a href="mailto:olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu">olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><font face="georgia, serif">Dear all,</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">I was wondering if you know any languages in which expletive negation appears in scalar additive constructions, as in (1).</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;text-align:justify;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font face="georgia, serif"><span lang="ES-MX" style="color:black">Huasteca Nahuatl </span><span lang="ES-MX"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><font face="georgia, serif">(1) <i>huankino hualah-ki kuatochi</i>, </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><font face="georgia, serif"> and.then come-<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-caps:small-caps;font-variant-alternates:normal">pfv</span> bunny</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><font face="georgia, serif"> ‘The
bunny came to the party,</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in;line-height:normal"><font face="georgia, serif"> </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in;line-height:normal"><font face="georgia, serif"><i>hua <b>asta</b> <b>amo</b> </i><i>hualah-ki koxua-li</i>.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in;line-height:normal"><font face="georgia, serif">and until <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-caps:small-caps;font-variant-alternates:normal">neg </span>come-<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-caps:small-caps;font-variant-alternates:normal">pfv</span> turtle-<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-caps:small-caps;font-variant-alternates:normal">abs</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><font face="georgia, serif"> and
even the turtle.’</font></p></div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">The expletive negative marker in (1) seems to have an interesting discourse function in scalar additive 'until' clauses, and it seems that other Mesoamerican languages have developed similar constructions due to language contact. </font></div><div><span style="text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></span></div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in">The
fact that temporal ‘until’ markers may develop into scalar additive operators
has not gone unnoticed (König 1991; </span>Jasionytė-Mikučionienė 2019: 293)<span style="text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in">.</span><span style="text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in"> However, to the best of my knowledge, scalar
additive ‘until’ clauses with expletive negation seem to be rare
cross-linguistically. </span></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in">Best,</span></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="text-align:justify;text-indent:0.5in"><b>References</b></span></font></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">Jasionytė-Mikučionienė, Erika. 2019. Subordinating conjunctions as discourse markers in Lithuanian. <i>Corpus Pragmatics</i> 3. 285–301</span></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">König, Ekkehard. 1991. <i>The meaning of focus particles:
A comparative perspective</i>. 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