<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Dear Pun Ho Lui<div><br></div><div>In Japhug (<a href="https://langsci-press.org/catalog/book/295">A grammar of Japhug | Language Science Press (langsci-press.org)</a>), the dual ni, the plural ra and the numerals can follow a list of nouns in the way you mention, as in (5) p.368.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:Chivo,sans-serif;font-size:15px"><a href="https://doi.org/10.24397/pangloss-0003508#S275">https://doi.org/10.24397/pangloss-0003508#S275</a></span><br></div><div><div>ɯ-mu ɯ-wa ni kɯ ɲɯ-z-nɤja-ndʑi qʰe</div><div>3sg.poss-mother 3sg.poss-father du erg ipfv-caus-be.a.pity-du lnk</div><div>‘Her parents could not stand to part with her.’</div></div><div><br></div><div>See also the section on bare coordination, pp.421-423.</div><div><br></div><div>It may be an unrelated question, but I would also like to mention the existence of a nominal derivation which I call "social relation collective" (described bpp 175-178) expressing a group of people (family members, or other type of social relationships like student-teacher etc), as in <i>βzaŋsa</i> "friend" -> <i>kɤndʑi-βzaŋsa</i> "(group of) friends" or<i> tɤ-rpɯ</i> "maternal uncle" + <i>tɤ-ftsa</i> "sister's child" -> <i>kɤndʑi-rpɯ-ftsa</i> ‘maternal uncle and his nephews’. These can follow personal pronouns, as in example (121) p. 178, or in example (62) p. 385, and can also be followed by dual, plural and numerals in the same way as a list of nouns.</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail-transcBlock" style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:1.5em;margin-bottom:1rem;display:inline-block;margin-top:0px;vertical-align:top"><p class="gmail-MuiTypography-root gmail-transcription gmail-sentence-phono gmail-MuiTypography-body2" style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);font-family:Doulos;font-size:0.875rem;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:1.43;margin:0px;letter-spacing:0.01071em;vertical-align:top;font-weight:700"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Chivo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal"><a href="https://doi.org/10.24397/pangloss-0003508#S220">https://doi.org/10.24397/pangloss-0003508#S220</a></span><br></p><p class="gmail-MuiTypography-root gmail-transcription gmail-sentence-phono gmail-MuiTypography-body2" style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:1.43;margin:0px;vertical-align:top"><font face="Chivo, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px">tɕe iʑo kɤndʑiʁi ra ʁnɯ-pɤrme nɤ ʁnɯ-pɤrme ntsɯ </span></font><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Chivo,sans-serif">ma mɤ-acʰɤt-i</span></p><p class="gmail-MuiTypography-root gmail-transcription gmail-sentence-phono gmail-MuiTypography-body2" style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:1.43;margin:0px;vertical-align:top"><font face="Chivo, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px">LNK 1PL COLL:siblings PL two-years ADD two-years always apart.from NEG-differ.in.age:FACT-1PL</span></font></p><p class="gmail-MuiTypography-root gmail-transcription gmail-sentence-phono gmail-MuiTypography-body2" style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:1.43;margin:0px;vertical-align:top"><font face="Chivo, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px">We brother and sisters were born in intervals of two years each.' (if ranked by birth order, adjacent siblings differ in age from each other by two years each)</span><br></font></p><p class="gmail-MuiTypography-root gmail-transcription gmail-sentence-phono gmail-MuiTypography-body2" style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);font-family:Doulos;font-size:0.875rem;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:1.43;margin:0px;letter-spacing:0.01071em;vertical-align:top;font-weight:700"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Chivo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal"><br></span></p><p class="gmail-MuiTypography-root gmail-transcription gmail-sentence-phono gmail-MuiTypography-body2" style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);font-family:Doulos;font-size:0.875rem;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:1.43;margin:0px;letter-spacing:0.01071em;vertical-align:top;font-weight:700"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Chivo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal">Best wishes,</span></p><p class="gmail-MuiTypography-root gmail-transcription gmail-sentence-phono gmail-MuiTypography-body2" style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);font-family:Doulos;font-size:0.875rem;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:1.43;margin:0px;letter-spacing:0.01071em;vertical-align:top;font-weight:700"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Chivo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal"><br></span></p><p class="gmail-MuiTypography-root gmail-transcription gmail-sentence-phono gmail-MuiTypography-body2" style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);font-family:Doulos;font-size:0.875rem;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:1.43;margin:0px;letter-spacing:0.01071em;vertical-align:top;font-weight:700"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Chivo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal">Guillaume</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 6 sept. 2023 à 07:50, Pun Ho Lui <<a href="mailto:luiph001@gmail.com">luiph001@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Dear All,<div><br></div><div>Haspelmath (2007) and Croft (2022) discussed a coordinating construction in which a numeral “summarizes” the number of referents in a list. There are different strategies in which the numeral behaves this way, e.g., a free numeral (1); a dual affix on a coordinand (2); a dual pronoun in apposition with the list+verb with dual marker (3). These numeral may be mono-syndetic or bi-syndatic.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS;font-size:11pt;font-weight:700">(1)</span><span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS;font-size:11pt"> Zaozou</span></div><div><div title="Page 155"><div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPS;font-weight:700">ŋu55</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPS;font-weight:700">-mu55 na53 </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPS;font-weight:700">phiɛ</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPS;font-weight:700">33
</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT">1-PL[EXCL] two father_and_child </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT">“we two (exclusive), my daughter and I.” (Li, 2020)</span></p><div><br></div><div>(2) Kham </div><div>
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<div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Times">syar sono:h pusum-ni </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Times">louse and flea-</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Times">DL
</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Times">‘the louse and the flea’ (Watters, 2004)</span></p><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
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<div><p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">(3) </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:ArialMT"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:italic">Mapudungu<br></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:ArialMT">(iñché) eymi inchiu i-y-u
</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:ArialMT"> I you:</span><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:ArialMT">SG </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:ArialMT">we:</span><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:ArialMT">DU </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:ArialMT">eat-</span><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:ArialMT">IND</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:ArialMT">-1</span><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:ArialMT">NONSG</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:ArialMT">-</span><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:ArialMT">DU</span></p><p><span style="font-family:ArialMT"><font size="1"> </font></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:ArialMT">‘You and I ate.’ </span></p><div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial">Languages with this construction I know are Zaozou, Kham, <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:italic">Mapudungu, </span><span lang="EN-US">Alto Perené<b>, </b></span><span lang="EN-US">Bangla<b>, </b>Cantonese<b>, </b>Mandarin<b>, </b></span><span lang="EN-US">Papuan
Malay<b>, </b></span><span lang="EN-US">Yakut<b>, </b></span>
</font><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US">Inari
Saami, <u></u><u></u></span><span lang="EN-US">Mongolian, </span><span lang="EN-US">Classical
Tibetan, </span><span lang="EN-US">Huallaga
Quechua, </span><span lang="EN-US">Wardaman, </span><span lang="EN-US">Khanty, </span><span lang="EN-US">Vedic
Sanskrit, </span><span lang="EN-US">Mparntwe Arrernte, </span><span lang="EN-US">Daga, </span><span lang="EN-US">Mapudungu, </span><span lang="EN-US">Enets, </span><span lang="EN-US">Kham and </span><span lang="EN-US">Hualapai</span></font></p><div><br></div><div>I am wondering if there are other languages sharing similar constructions.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>Warmest,</div><div>Joe Pun Ho Lui</div>
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