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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"CMU Serif"">Dear Matías – Thanks for the response! Just checking:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Matías Guzmán Naranjo <mguzmann89@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, November 6, 2023 at 10:15<br>
<b>To: </b>Gerhard Jäger <gerhard.jaeger@uni-tuebingen.de><br>
<b>Cc: </b>LINGTYP <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Lingtyp] Greenbergian word order universals: confirmed after all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Jürgen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I know I'm not impartial in this discussion, but:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"CMU Serif"">So this would be my first question to the detractors of phylogenetic/dynamic (Maslova’s term)/co-evolutionary tests for typological generalizations: do you
disagree that if we had that perfect knowledge, we would as a matter of course take into account the phylogenetic perspective?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I do, for several reasons, but mostly I think there are more interesting/useful methods that are neither phylogenetic inference or stratified sampling.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"CMU Serif"">So you are saying that you
<b>dis</b>agree that we would use phylogenetic testing if we had complete and robust knowledge of the phylogenies of the world’s languages?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"CMU Serif"">I knew I shouldn’t have used negation in that question
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">😉</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"CMU Serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"CMU Serif"">Also, I didn’t mean to suggest that we use *<b>exclusively</b>* phylogenetic testing, just that it would be difficult to claim to have tested a generalization without having performed
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt">I mostly agree with Gerhard on one point he makes, though, which is that just one result is not enough.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt">We need to see similar results emerge from different methods.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Focusing on the results from one or two techniques seems a bit misguided to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"CMU Serif"">I definitely agree here! – Best – Juergen
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