<div dir="ltr">A similar pattern to Christian's deutsch example: <i>barbar</i> (languages that are not Greek) --> <i>barbarian </i>(people who speak these languages) --> <i>barbaria </i>(place where these people live)<i>.</i><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="garamond, times new roman, serif">____________________</font></span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="garamond, times new roman, serif">Kate L. Lindsey</font><div><font face="garamond, times new roman, serif">Assistant Professor of Linguistics</font></div><div><font face="garamond, times new roman, serif">Boston University<br></font></div><div><font face="garamond, times new roman, serif">Boston, MA 02215</font></div><div><font face="garamond, times new roman, serif"><a href="http://ling.bu.edu/people/lindsey" target="_blank">http://ling.bu.edu/people/lindsey</a></font></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 1:23 PM Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Depending on how you assess the role of derivation and
compounding in your ">" symbols, the autonym of German inverts
your entire path.</p>
<p>The word <i>deutsch</i> was <i>thiutisk</i> in Old High German.
It is an adjective derived from the noun <i>thiuda</i> 'people'
and was first used to refer to the language spoken by the people,
as opposed to Latin. It thus does not presuppose a community name
(which <i>thiuda</i> was not). On the contrary, the adjective got
secondarily applied to the people who speak the <i>thiutisk</i>
way. Finally, the land which these people inhabit was called (by
earlier forms of the modern word) <i>Deutschland</i>.<br>
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<p><cite>(„deutsch“, in: Wolfgang Pfeifer et al., Etymologisches
Wörterbuch des Deutschen (1993), digitalisierte und von Wolfgang
Pfeifer überarbeitete Version im Digitalen Wörterbuch der
deutschen Sprache, <a href="https://www.dwds.de/wb/etymwb/deutsch" target="_blank"><https://www.dwds.de/wb/etymwb/deutsch></a><span>, abgerufen am <span>28.11.2023</span></span>.)</cite></p>
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<div>Am 28.11.2023 um 13:39 schrieb Pun Ho
Lui:<br>
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<pre>Dear All,
Recently I have been working on the etymology of language names with etymons such as ’no’, ‘what’, and commonly place names and community names.
It seems that language names (specifically endonyms, i.e. how the locals call their own language) follow a unidirectional change of derivation or semantic extension (e.g using the community name as language name without any formal word formation):
place name> community name> language name
I am wondering if there is any language name that violates the above unidirectional cline.
Thanks.
Warmest,
Pun Ho Lui Joe
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