<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Possibly German verb schwan-en 'to have a sense of foreboding’ is like Nahuatl:<div>e.g., mir schwant etwas/Unheil ‘to me (DAT) looms something/a disaster (NOM)’<div><br></div><div>It’s not related to Schwan ’swan’, but arguably to verb wahn-en/wähn-en 'to imagine (wrongly)’:</div><div>e.g., ich wähnte ihn glücklich/zuhause 'I (wrongly) imagined him happy/at home').<div><br></div><div>The initial s- of schwanen is (well, could be) the 3rd person singular neuter personal pronoun es fossilised, and phonologically adapted to a consonantal onset, of the original verb, frequently used “impersonally” with a non-specific, vague indication of the stimulus of the sensation, as in:</div><div>(e)s wānet mir ... 'it seems to me (as if)’.</div><div><br></div><div>Or so the story goes, and it seems to me a more plausible story than one relating schwanen to myths about prophetic swans or to Humanist joking about having forebodings and smelling, with Latin olēre ’smell’ sound-related to olor ’swan’. Nonetheless, Otto Behaghel (Zur Etymologie von SCHWANEN, 1913) didn't like it either, because he doubted that wähnen ever was an "impersonal" verb, with the stimulus rather than the experiencer as subject.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="display: block;"><div style="-webkit-user-select: all; -webkit-user-drag: element; display: inline-block;" class="apple-rich-link" draggable="true" role="link" data-url="http://archive.org/details/beitrgezurgesc38halluoft/page/500/mode/2up?view=theater"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;display:block;-webkit-user-select:none;width:228px;user-select:none;-webkit-user-modify:read-only;user-modify:read-only;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none;" class="lp-rich-link" rel="nofollow" href="http://archive.org/details/beitrgezurgesc38halluoft/page/500/mode/2up?view=theater" dir="ltr" role="button" draggable="false" width="228"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:228px;background-color:#E5E6E9;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class="lp-rich-link-emailBaseTable" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="228"><tbody><tr><td vertical-align="center" align="center"><img style="width:228px;filter:brightness(0.97);height:342px;" width="228" height="342" draggable="false" class="lp-rich-link-mediaImage" alt="beitrgezurgesc38halluoft.jpeg" src="cid:6ED787C5-90A2-47D2-9BAB-57DB39DB0907"></td></tr><tr><td vertical-align="center"><table bgcolor="#E5E6E9" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="228" style="font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;table-layout:fixed;background-color:rgba(229, 230, 233, 1);" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px 8px 0px;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStackItem"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px 0px 16px;overflow:hidden;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-topCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://archive.org/details/beitrgezurgesc38halluoft/page/500/mode/2up?view=theater" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#272727" style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.847059);">Beiträge zur Geschichte der deutschen Sprache und Literatur : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive</font></a></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-bottomCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://archive.org/details/beitrgezurgesc38halluoft/page/500/mode/2up?view=theater" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#808080" style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039);">archive.org</font></a></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><br></div><div></div><div><br></div><div>Let’s stick with Nahuatl, then, to be on the safe side. It’s a hard life, the typologist’s who craves diachronic wisdom. Mir schwant Unheil.</div><div><br></div><div>Frans </div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 30. Nov 2023, at 13:11, Siva Kalyan <sivakalyan.princeton@GMAIL.COM> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">If this phenomenon does exist, I suspect the most likely source construction would be “impersonal” argument indexes, such as Classical Nāhuatl <i>tla-</i> (e.g. <i>ihtoa</i> ‘say’ > <i>tlahtoa</i> ‘speak’); see <a href="https://nahuatl.wired-humanities.org/content/tla">https://nahuatl.wired-humanities.org/content/tla</a> for examples and references.<div><br></div><div>Siva<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 30 Nov 2023, at 9:29 pm, Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77@buffalo.edu> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "CMU Serif";">Dear all – I’m passing along the following query from one of my advisees, Jose Antonio Jodar Sánchez:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "CMU Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "CMU Serif";">“I have been looking for references which talk about pronominal affixes on verbs which have become fossilized and are now part of the verb root. I checked Anna Siewierska’s book on person but I could not find anything. Do you know of any?”<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "CMU Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "CMU Serif";">Presumably, what Jose Antonio’s is looking for is above all citable treatments. However, if the phenomenon hasn’t been dealt with exhaustively (which it may not), I’m sure examples will be helpful as well.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "CMU Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "CMU Serif";">Thanks! – Juergen<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "CMU Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;">Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)<br>Professor, Department of Linguistics<br>University at Buffalo <br><br>Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus<br>Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260 <br>Phone: (716) 645 0127 <br>Fax: (716) 645 3825<br>Email: </span><span><a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" title="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu"><span style="font-size: 9pt; 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