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<p>It might be added that the terms 'lexical frequency' and 'token
frequency' have also been applied to linguistic units other than
phonemes. For instance, a derivational suffix like Engl. <i>-ness</i>
also has a lexical frequency and a token frequency, in the same
sense.</p>
<p>Greetings, Christian<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 06.02.2024 um 11:48 schrieb Ian Joo:<br>
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Dear typologists,
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<div>thank you for your suggestions, and sorry for my late reply.
The general agreement on the terminology appears to be:</div>
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<div>1. The frequency in which a phoneme appears in the lexemes of
a lect's vocabulary (i.e. how many lexemes have this phoneme): <b>Lexical
frequency</b></div>
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<div>2. The frequency in which a phoneme appears within the
utterance of the lect's user (i.e. how often does this phoneme
occur in a given person's use of this lect): <b>Token frequency
</b>or <b>discourse frequency</b></div>
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<div>From Korea,</div>
<div>Ian</div>
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JOO, IAN 朱易安<br>
Lecturer 助教<br>
Faculty of International Studies 国際学部<br>
Nagoya University of Commerce and Business 名古屋商科大学<br>
Nisshin, Aichi, Japan 愛知県日進市<br>
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<div>23/1/2024 오후 8:23, Erich Round
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e.round@surrey.ac.uk"><e.round@surrey.ac.uk></a> 작성:</div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Ian,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">In the paper below, Jayden
Macklin-Cordes and I referred to 1 and 2 (or
something close to your definition in 2) as lexical
frequency and discourse frequency respectively.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;">Macklin-Cordes, Jayden L.,
and Erich R. Round. ‘Re-Evaluating Phoneme
Frequencies’.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Frontiers
in Psychology</i><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>11 (2020):
3181.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://doi.org/doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.570895"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://doi.org/doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.570895</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Erich<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Lingtyp
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org"><lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org></a>
on behalf of Ian Joo
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ian_joo@nucba.ac.jp"><ian_joo@nucba.ac.jp></a><br>
<b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday,
23 January 2024 at 10:00<br>
<b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org"><lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Lingtyp]
Two types of frequency<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Dear typologists,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;">What are the terms
for the following two types of frequency:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;">1. The frequency in
which a phoneme appears in the lexemes of a
lect's vocabulary (i.e. how many lexemes have
this phoneme)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;">2. The frequency in
which a phoneme appears within the utterance
of the lect's user (i.e. how often does this
phoneme occur in a given person's use of this
lect)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;">Googling and ChatGPT
have failed me. I would appreciate it if you
could let me know whether there are terms for
these two types of frequency.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Ian<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">- - - - -<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 11pt;">JOO, IAN<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";">朱易安</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Lecturer<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";">助教</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Faculty of
International Studies<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";">国際学部</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Nagoya University
of Commerce and Business<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";">名古屋商科大学</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Nisshin, Aichi,
Japan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";">愛知県日進市</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ianjoo.github.io">https://ianjoo.github.io</a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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