<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Dear typologists,<div><br></div><div>thank you for your suggestions, and sorry for my late reply. The general agreement on the terminology appears to be:</div><div><br></div><div>1. The frequency in which a phoneme appears in the lexemes of a lect's vocabulary (i.e. how many lexemes have this phoneme): <b>Lexical frequency</b></div><div><br></div><div>2. The frequency in which a phoneme appears within the utterance of the lect's user (i.e. how often does this phoneme occur in a given person's use of this lect): <b>Token frequency </b>or <b>discourse frequency</b></div><div><br></div><div>From Korea,</div><div>Ian</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
<meta charset="UTF-8"><div>- - - - -<br>JOO, IAN 朱易安<br>Lecturer 助教<br>Faculty of International Studies 国際学部<br>Nagoya University of Commerce and Business 名古屋商科大学<br>Nisshin, Aichi, Japan 愛知県日進市<br>https://ianjoo.github.io<br>- - - - -</div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>23/1/2024 오후 8:23, Erich Round <e.round@surrey.ac.uk> 작성:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Ian,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">In the paper below, Jayden Macklin-Cordes and I referred to 1 and 2 (or something close to your definition in 2) as lexical frequency and discourse frequency respectively.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Macklin-Cordes, Jayden L., and Erich R. Round. ‘Re-Evaluating Phoneme Frequencies’.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Frontiers in Psychology</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>11 (2020): 3181.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://doi.org/doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.570895" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">https://doi.org/doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.570895</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Erich<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Ian Joo <ian_joo@nucba.ac.jp><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 23 January 2024 at 10:00<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Lingtyp] Two types of frequency<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Dear typologists,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">What are the terms for the following two types of frequency:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">1. The frequency in which a phoneme appears in the lexemes of a lect's vocabulary (i.e. how many lexemes have this phoneme)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">2. The frequency in which a phoneme appears within the utterance of the lect's user (i.e. how often does this phoneme occur in a given person's use of this lect)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Googling and ChatGPT have failed me. I would appreciate it if you could let me know whether there are terms for these two types of frequency.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ian<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">- - - - -<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">JOO, IAN<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";">朱易安</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Lecturer<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";">助教</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Faculty of International Studies<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";">国際学部</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Nagoya University of Commerce and Business<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";">名古屋商科大学</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; 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