
<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Oesten, dear all,</div><div><br></div><div>I must admit, I would render the sentence into English (my mother tongue, from London, UK) as I would in German (where I have lived for 15 years): <br><br>"Mary wanted to submit her application today" (cf. Christian's German: <i>Heute wollte Maria ihren Antrag einreichen</i>)<br>Or: "Mary said she was going to submit her application today". <br></div><div><br></div><div>I believe that you would also use a similar construction in Ju|'hoan (Ju, Kx'a):</div><div>


<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span><br><i>Màrí kò hȁ ǁqx’òà

ű-á </i></span><span><i>hȁ</i></span>


<span><i> ǂxànì-sì kò ǁà’íkè<br></i></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span>PN QUOT PRO1 send go-VE PRO1 4.paper-PL MPO 4.today<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"">

<span>'Mary wanted/was going to send her papers off today'.</span>


</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span>Note that the above is not the standard quotative construction:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"">

</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span><br><i>Màrí nǁàè

t</i></span><i><span>è</span> <span>kò</span> <span>hȁ</span> <span>t</span><span>è</span>


</i><span><i> qx’òà ű ha ǂxànì-sì kò ǁà’íkè</i><span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span>PN say LNK QUOT LNK PRO1 send go-VE PRO1 4.paper-PL MPO 4.today<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span>'Mary said that she was going to send off her papers today'.</span></p>


<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span>Best, Lee<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Charis SIL""><span><span></span></span></p>


</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Do., 15. Feb. 2024 um 01:49 Uhr schrieb Siva Kalyan <<a href="mailto:sivakalyan.princeton@gmail.com">sivakalyan.princeton@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>In English I would render this as “Today Mary was (going) to submit her grant proposal”.<div><br></div><div>In (colloquial) Tamil, it would be something like the following:</div><div><br></div><div>Mary <i>iṉṉiki</i> grant proposal submit <i>paṇ-ṟa-t-āka iru-nt-ā(ḷ)</i></div><div>Mary today grant proposal submit do-PRS-NMLZ-as be-PST-3SG.F</div><div><div><br></div><div>Siva<br id="m_2775796753367698593lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 15 Feb 2024, at 7:29 am, Östen Dahl <<a href="mailto:oesten@ling.su.se" target="_blank">oesten@ling.su.se</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">I would like to ask for intuitions about the following, in one or more languages that you are acquainted with.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Suppose your colleague Mary said on Monday: "Tomorrow I'm going to submit my grant proposal." Now it's about noon on Tuesday, and you have no idea whatsoever of the time of the realization of her intention. Maybe she did it in the morning, maybe she'll wait until midnight, and maybe she's just doing it right now. How would you express the sentence below in your language(s), replacing SUBMIT by a suitable verb form? The idea is that you should try to use a maximally simple and natural formulation without excluding any possibility.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-indent:36pt"><span lang="EN-US">Today Mary SUBMIT her grant proposal<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">All comments are welcome.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks in advance!<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="SV">- Östen<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Lingtyp mailing list</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><a href="mailto:Lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">Lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><a href="https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-inde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