<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Dear Östen, dear all,<div><br></div><div>my native Finnish seems to have the same options as some other European languages already mentioned in this discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>Just using the simple (unmarked) present (or non-past, as Finnish doesn't have a regular future tense) will convey the idea that the submission has taken or will take place during the current calendar day:</div><div><br></div><div>Mari jättä-ä hakemukse-nsa tänään</div><div>M. leave-3SG application-POSS.3 today</div><div>‘Mary submits/will submit her grant application today.’</div><div><br></div><div>However, as the unmarked present tense can refer to present or future time but normally not to the past, I'm not quite sure whether something like the following example would be completely natural and acceptable. In my understanding, this would force a reading in which the verb refers to an implicit obligation, as in "The passengers validate (= are expected to validate) their ticket as they enter the vehicle." </div><div><br></div><div>?Mari jättää hakemuksensa tänään. Hän on hoitanut asian jo aamulla.</div><div>‘Mary submits her grant application today. She has taken care of it already in the morning.’</div><div><br></div><div>If we want to explicitly express that we are not sure whether the submission has already taken place, a modal/evidential auxiliary is needed:</div><div><br></div><div>Mari-n pitä-isi jättä-ä hakemukse-nsa tänään. (Toivottavasti hän on hoitanut asian tai hoitaa sen iltaan mennessä.)</div><div>M-GEN must-COND(.3SG) leave-INF application-POSS.3 today</div><div>‘(I believe) Mari will submit her application today. (I hope she has taken care of it or will do it by the evening.)’</div><div><br></div><div>Mari-n pit-i jättää hakemuksensa tänään...</div><div>M-GEN must-PST(.3SG) ...</div><div>‘(I have heard that) Mari is supposed to submit her application today (but I might have some doubts about whether she will do it)...’</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Johanna<br><div>
<div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div>--</div><div>Univ.Prof. Dr. Johanna Laakso</div><div>Universität Wien, Institut für Europäische und Vergleichende Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft (EVSL)</div><div>Abteilung Finno-Ugristik</div><div>Campus AAKH Spitalgasse 2-4 Hof 7</div><div>A-1090 Wien</div><div>johanna.laakso@univie.ac.at • http://homepage.univie.ac.at/Johanna.Laakso/</div><div>Project ELDIA: http://www.eldia-project.org/ </div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span></div></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would like to ask for intuitions about the following, in one or more languages that you are acquainted with.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Suppose your colleague Mary said on Monday: "Tomorrow I'm going to submit my grant proposal." Now it's about noon on Tuesday, and you have no idea whatsoever of the time of the realization of her intention. Maybe she
did it in the morning, maybe she'll wait until midnight, and maybe she's just doing it right now. How would you express the sentence below in your language(s), replacing SUBMIT by a suitable verb form? The idea is that you should try to use a maximally simple
and natural formulation without excluding any possibility.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt"><span lang="EN-US">Today Mary SUBMIT her grant proposal<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">All comments are welcome.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks in advance!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">- Östen<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>