<div dir="ltr">I had been holding back Haya, another Bantu language, where in this case *p > h > Ø. The Proto-Bantu verb *pá 'give' is realized [ha], but the [h] can be deleted, e.g. o-ku-há-a 'to give' can be realized o-kú-h-a or o-kú-a, where o-ku- and -a are grammatical affixes (augment, class 15 noun class prefix, final vowel inflectional suffix), here marking the infinitive. However, we can still tell that there is a "ghost consonant" for two reasons:<div><br></div><div>1) If the verb root were phonologically null, we would expect *ó-kw-a, with gliding of /u/ before /a/.</div><div>2) There still is a High tone from the root (which is anticipated on [kú-]).<br></div><div>3) There is an alternation with [p] after a homorganic nasal: ḿ-pa 'give me!'.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thus I don't think Haya is quite there having a /Ø/ verb root... and wonder if that's something it has in store for the future.<br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_lt5x2htt0" alt="image.png" width="562" height="361"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 1:58 AM Denis CREISSELS via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg699262165843392475"><div lang="FR"><div class="m_699262165843392475WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14pt">Let me add a Bantu example. In Tswana, the root for ‘go’, otherwise /j/, also has a phonologically conditioned zero allomorph, as in /ʊ́-ílè/ ‘s/he went’, where /ʊ́-/ is the subject index ‘3rd person, class 1’, and /-ílè/ is a TAM-polarity suffix (perfect positive).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Denis<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,"sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,"sans-serif""> Lingtyp [mailto:<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>] <b>De la part de</b> Claire Bowern via Lingtyp<br><b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 27 février 2024 14:08<br><b>À :</b> Alexandre Arkhipov<br><b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Zero verb root in Papuan languages<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Bardi root for “give” is null. It’s historically from *wa but sound changes deleted both the consonant and the vowel. Inflected forms such as i-nga-na ‘3-pst-rem.past’ have no overt root.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Claire<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:37 AM Alexandre Arkhipov via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif"">Dear Joe,<br><br>If you do not limit yourself to the Papuan languages, zero verb roots should be occasionally found in many languages, I guess (although I don't have many examples). <br>E.g. the Russian verb <i>вынуть </i>"take out" is considered to have no root due to historical changes (вы- is a regular prefix "out(wards)", -ну is a regular suffix (semelfactive), and -ть is the infinitive suffix).<br>Some forms of Basque auxiliaries should probably be analyzed as having no root, e.g. zen (Past 3SG of the intransitive auxiliary, where both z- and -en appear elsewhere as past markers).<br><br>All best,<br>Alexandre</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">27/02/2024 05:26, Pun Ho Lui via Lingtyp пишет:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Dear All, and <span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">哈佬</span> Hilario, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for all the responses.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To slightly summarize (which is already claimed by Comrie and Zamponi 2019), the zero verb root/allomorph can be found in Trans New Guinea (e.g. Horokoi by Wesley Kuhron Jones). Those verbs tend to be semantically light, e.g. ‘hit’, ‘come’, ‘give’ and ‘be’ (e.g. Menggwa Dla).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">It also seems like such phenomenon can be found in other languages, e.g. Yawuru (Nyulnyulan) and Bardi in Australia, and potentially Ket.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Warmest,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Joe <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Pun Ho Lui <a href="mailto:luiph001@gmail.com" target="_blank"><luiph001@gmail.com></a> <span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">於</span> 2024<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">年</span>2<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">月</span>24<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">日</span> <span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">下午</span>2:06 <span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">寫道:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear All, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Recently I am interested in the “zero verb root” in Papuan languages, that is, the meaning of the verb(s) are indicated by a root that has no phonological expression (Comrie and Zamponi 2019), as in (1).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(1) Selepet (McElhanon 1973)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ø-nek-sap<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">see-1sGO-3SGS.IMMPST <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">'He saw me’<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Papuan languages (potentially) with zero verb root I have collected so far are: Abau, Abun, Coastal Marine, Edolo, Kalamang, Main, Nimboran, Amele, Yeri, Yima, Whitehead, Awe,Siroi, Gahuku, Bukiyip, Anêm, Kâte and Selepe.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I am wondering do you know of other Papuan languages with this feature.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Warmest,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Pun Ho Lui Joe<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">References: <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p style="background:white">Bernard Comrie and Raoul Zamponi. 2019. Verb Root Ellipsis. In Matthew Baerman, Oliver Bond, Andrew Hippisley (eds.): <i>Morphological perspectives: Papers in honour of Greville G. Corbett</i>, 233–280. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p style="background:white">McElhanon, Kenneth A. 1972. <i>Selepet Grammar. 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