<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Hi Maria,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">In Chini (Madang, Papua New Guinea) there's a term for the physical body, but distinctions are made depending upon what is meant. For instance you would not say your body (pr<span>ɨ</span>) is cold, you would say your 'skin' (nyark<span>ɨ</span>) is cold. There is an ungendered term for human being, 'wutm<span>ɨ'. T</span>he mind is conceptualized in terms of one's thoughts (nd<span>ɨ</span>nk<span>ɨ</span>). For ex, babies that cant talk yet are not construed in Chini cultural terms as having thoughts/minds, but they do have a will/stomach (m<span>ɨyi). </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span>Inasmuch as one's will may be spiritually conceived, in Chini and many if not all cultures of New Guinea, the will is a huge deal and is (I could be wrong but I believe, in New Guinea always) associated with the stomach. There is a big spiritual component here within animism as well, though the anthers know more about that stuff.</span> In Madang it's common to say things (in whichever language) like
"we have now all become of one stomach (will)" once reconciliation over a
dispute/problem has been achieved, or people have come to an agreement
about something and have feasted about it together (then, having eaten the same "reconciliation food" (Tok Pisin wanbel kaikai), they "become of one stomach". So here, the
Chini distinction would be totally alien to Western culture assumptions, since we believe things like individuals have physical stomachs that are totally separate with no possibility of being affected by those of other people (without getting into the even hairier questions regarding the will). </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I don't know of a Chini concept for 'soul' but of course lots of PNG lgs do, I would guess, a linguistic effect resulting from missionization. In Chini there's a word for spiritual power (amh'<span>ɨ) but only as in, power that a person can access, but that is more like something outside oneself, rather than one's own spirit, or whatever. <br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span>Cheers</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span>Joseph<br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:55 PM <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Lingtyp mailing list submissions to<br>
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3. Re: Body and soul / body and mind (Guillaume Jacques)<br>
4. Re: Body and soul / body and mind (Peter Bakker)<br>
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 15:27:41 +0000<br>
From: Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm <<a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank">tamm@ling.su.se</a>><br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
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I?ve got a question from a colleague working in health psychology about the dichotomies such as ?body vs. soul?, ?body vs. mind? etc, as opposed to ?person?, ?human being etc.: how spread are these across the cultures and languages of the world? I know that a number of languages lack a dedicated word for ?body?, but not so much about the distinction between the physical and non-physical aspects of human beings.<br>
<br>
I would be grateful for any information / references / pointers.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Maria / Masha<br>
<br>
Prof. Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm<br>
Dept. of linguistics, Stockholm University<br>
106 91 Stockholm, Sweden<br>
tel.: +46-8-16 26 20<br>
<a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank">tamm@ling.su.se</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank">tamm@ling.su.se</a>><br>
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:16:58 -0800<br>
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Dear Masha and All,<br>
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Northern Iroquoian languages contain sizable inventories of verbs with<br>
incorporated nouns 'body', 'mind', or 'matter (affair)', which group<br>
concepts into those with physical, mental, or abstract effects.<br>
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Marianne<br>
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:27?AM Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm via Lingtyp <<br>
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> Dear colleagues,<br>
><br>
> I?ve got a question from a colleague working in health psychology about<br>
> the dichotomies such as ?body vs. soul?, ?body vs. mind? etc, as opposed to<br>
> ?person?, ?human being etc.: how spread are these across the cultures and<br>
> languages of the world? I know that a number of languages lack a dedicated<br>
> word for ?body?, but not so much about the distinction between the physical<br>
> and non-physical aspects of human beings.<br>
><br>
> I would be grateful for any information / references / pointers.<br>
><br>
> All the best,<br>
> Maria / Masha<br>
><br>
> Prof. Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm<br>
> Dept. of linguistics, Stockholm University<br>
> 106 91 Stockholm, Sweden<br>
> tel.: +46-8-16 26 20<br>
> <a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank">tamm@ling.su.se</a><br>
> <a href="http://www.ling.su.se/tamm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ling.su.se/tamm</a><br>
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 18:35:59 +0100<br>
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Dear Masha,<br>
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In Sino-Tibetan languages, there is surprisingly a cognate set for "soul",<br>
exemplified by Japhug *t?-rla*, Tibetan *bla*, Jinghpo *nu?mla?* etc (see<br>
other cognates in STEDT Etymon #2264 (<a href="http://berkeley.edu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">berkeley.edu</a>)<br>
<<a href="https://stedt.berkeley.edu/~stedt-cgi/rootcanal.pl/etymon/2264" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stedt.berkeley.edu/~stedt-cgi/rootcanal.pl/etymon/2264</a>>). Words<br>
translatable by "mind" or "body" vary a lot, but in Tibetan cultural areas<br>
they tend to be borrowed from Tibetan (Japhug *t?-s?m* "mind", *t?-pho?bu *from<br>
Tibetan *sems* "mind", *phu?.po* "heap, body"), and in Tibetan they have<br>
acquired meanings calqued from Sanskrit *manas*- and *skandha*-,<br>
respectively.<br>
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Guillaume<br>
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Le lun. 4 mars 2024 ? 16:27, Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm via Lingtyp <<br>
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> Dear colleagues,<br>
><br>
> I?ve got a question from a colleague working in health psychology about<br>
> the dichotomies such as ?body vs. soul?, ?body vs. mind? etc, as opposed to<br>
> ?person?, ?human being etc.: how spread are these across the cultures and<br>
> languages of the world? I know that a number of languages lack a dedicated<br>
> word for ?body?, but not so much about the distinction between the physical<br>
> and non-physical aspects of human beings.<br>
><br>
> I would be grateful for any information / references / pointers.<br>
><br>
> All the best,<br>
> Maria / Masha<br>
><br>
> Prof. Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm<br>
> Dept. of linguistics, Stockholm University<br>
> 106 91 Stockholm, Sweden<br>
> tel.: +46-8-16 26 20<br>
> <a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank">tamm@ling.su.se</a><br>
> <a href="http://www.ling.su.se/tamm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ling.su.se/tamm</a><br>
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 19:09:18 +0000<br>
From: Peter Bakker <<a href="mailto:linpb@cc.au.dk" target="_blank">linpb@cc.au.dk</a>><br>
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Dear Masha,<br>
<br>
Colleague Carsten Levisen mentions this book by Bert Peeters:<br>
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<a href="https://www.routledge.com/Heart--and-Soul-Like-Constructs-across-Languages-Cultures-and-Epochs/Peeters/p/book/9781032093949#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.routledge.com/Heart--and-Soul-Like-Constructs-across-Languages-Cultures-and-Epochs/Peeters/p/book/9781032093949#</a><br>
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in the frame of Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM).<br>
Peter Bakker<br>
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Fra: Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> p? vegne af Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
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Emne: [Lingtyp] Body and soul / body and mind<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
<br>
I?ve got a question from a colleague working in health psychology about the dichotomies such as ?body vs. soul?, ?body vs. mind? etc, as opposed to ?person?, ?human being etc.: how spread are these across the cultures and languages of the world? I know that a number of languages lack a dedicated word for ?body?, but not so much about the distinction between the physical and non-physical aspects of human beings.<br>
<br>
I would be grateful for any information / references / pointers.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Maria / Masha<br>
<br>
Prof. Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm<br>
Dept. of linguistics, Stockholm University<br>
106 91 Stockholm, Sweden<br>
tel.: +46-8-16 26 20<br>
<a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank">tamm@ling.su.se</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank">tamm@ling.su.se</a>><br>
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 19:54:47 +0000<br>
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Dear all,<br>
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I attach a couple of articles on related lexical categories in Dalabon (Australia).<br>
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The 2009 one is the most relevant I suppose.<br>
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With kind regards, Ma?a<br>
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Ma?a Ponsonnet<br>
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Dear Masha,<br>
<br>
Colleague Carsten Levisen mentions this book by Bert Peeters:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.routledge.com/Heart--and-Soul-Like-Constructs-across-Languages-Cultures-and-Epochs/Peeters/p/book/9781032093949#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.routledge.com/Heart--and-Soul-Like-Constructs-across-Languages-Cultures-and-Epochs/Peeters/p/book/9781032093949#</a><br>
<br>
in the frame of Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM).<br>
Peter Bakker<br>
________________________________<br>
Fra: Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> p? vegne af Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
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Emne: [Lingtyp] Body and soul / body and mind<br>
<br>
Dear colleagues,<br>
<br>
I?ve got a question from a colleague working in health psychology about the dichotomies such as ?body vs. soul?, ?body vs. mind? etc, as opposed to ?person?, ?human being etc.: how spread are these across the cultures and languages of the world? I know that a number of languages lack a dedicated word for ?body?, but not so much about the distinction between the physical and non-physical aspects of human beings.<br>
<br>
I would be grateful for any information / references / pointers.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Maria / Masha<br>
<br>
Prof. Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm<br>
Dept. of linguistics, Stockholm University<br>
106 91 Stockholm, Sweden<br>
tel.: +46-8-16 26 20<br>
<a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank">tamm@ling.su.se</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank">tamm@ling.su.se</a>><br>
<a href="http://www.ling.su.se/tamm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ling.su.se/tamm</a><br>
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