<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Dear Francesca, <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">In the Chini language (Papuan, Lower Sepik-Ramu family) the nominal prefix gwu- is used (<g> = voiced velar approximant). Its meaning is essentially the same as authenticity/prototypicality but in Chini this almost always means the traditional/ ancestral (vs modern/post-contact) version of something. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">For ex mbar<span>ɨ 'canoe', </span>gwumbar<span>ɨ 'ancestral-style canoe'. Or: </span><span>ɨrkng'</span><span>ɨ 'language', gw</span><span>ɨrkng'</span><span>ɨ 'traditional/ancestral language'.</span><span> Cognate forms of the prefix are found throughout Chini's subgroup but do not necessarily derive the same nouns. In M</span><span>ɨnkach/Kominimo the prefix is cwc- (<c> = open o), in Sketa/Igana it's w-. M</span><span></span><span>ɨnkach and Sketa both being spoken on the Guam River, in both languages the word for the Guam is just 'water' plus the prefix (so, cwenmi & wanm</span><span></span><span>ɨ respectively). </span><span><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span>Other languages in the Ramu family have this as
well. Rao, though very distantly related, has ye-. For ex ndru 'mosquito net (factory made)
vs yendru 'ancestral-style mosquito net (cone-shaped "net" made of palm
bark, big enough for a whole family to sleep in)'.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span>Cheers </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span>Joseph<br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 2:21 PM <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Lingtyp mailing list submissions to<br>
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From: Zygmunt Frajzyngier <<a href="mailto:zygmunt.frajzyngier@colorado.edu" target="_blank">zygmunt.frajzyngier@colorado.edu</a>><br>
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Dear Chao,<br>
You may find the following paper relevant to your query.<br>
Frajzyngier, Zygmunt; Natalia Gurian; Sergei Karpenko. 2023. Minimal participant structure and the emergence of the argument/adjunct distinction. Studies in Language <a href="https://doi.org/10.1075/sl.22029.fra" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1075/sl.22029.fra</a> | Published online: 24 August 2023<br>
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All best,<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Distinction between semantic arguments and semantic adjuncts<br>
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Hi Juergen,<br>
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Thank you for your further response. I?ll certainly check out your paper on cutting and breaking. With respect to ?oblique?, Robert Van Valin Jr., in his An Introduction to Syntax (2001), uses ?oblique argument? instead of the former longer ?oblique core argument?. (Also, originally via Martin Haspelmath?s paper on ?Arguments and Adjuncts as Language-Particular Syntactic Categories and as Comparative Concepts? (2014), a paper focusing on the use of argument and adjunct as ?syntactic elements?, I learned that in the same book Van Valin treats the English by-phrase containing the A(gent) argument of a passive construction as an ?optional adjunct?.)<br>
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Thanks again and best regards,<br>
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Chao<br>
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 12:15?AM Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
Hi Chao ? I don?t know who introduced the term ?oblique argument.? It may well have been derived from or at least influenced by the model of ?oblique case?. But oblique case does not play a definitional role in the notion of oblique arguments.<br>
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Also, there is obviously a great deal of variation in how different scholars use the term ?oblique (argument)?. E.g., Dryer & Gensler (2013) use ?oblique phrase? expressly synonymously with ?adjunct?. My own use corresponds closely to that in Role & Reference Grammar. For instance, here is Van Valin (1993):<br>
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?All arguments which appear in the core of a simple clause must be linked to argument positions in the LS [?logical structure?, a representation of lexical meaning in terms of predicate calculus without variable binding; JB] of the predicate in the nucleus, and in the default situation, all arguments in the LS of the predicate must appear in the core of the clause. However, it is not always the case that an argument in the LS occurs in the core; in a passive construction, for example, the agent or experiencer, if overt, will be realized as an oblique constituent in the periphery. Among core arguments a further distinction is made between direct and oblique core arguments. This contrast is based on the morphological coding of the arguments: direct core arguments are those that are morphologically unmarked or coded with a direct case, as in dependent-marking languages like English and German, or are cross-referenced on the verb, as in headmarking languages like Lakhota and Tzotzil. Obl<br>
ique core arguments are those marked by an adposition or by an oblique case. Thus English give has three core arguments; in Harry gave Bill the key there are three direct core arguments, while in Harry gave the key to Bill there are two direct core arguments and one oblique core argument.? (Van Valin 1993: 40-41)<br>
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In contrast, adjuncts are treated as modifiers, which in RRG means they are treated as expressing semantic predicates (Jolly 1993). This corresponds to conceptualizations in the Dependency Grammar tradition where modifiers are viewed as semantically and morphosyntactically relational, i.e., as opening argument positions for their heads, whereas arguments are dependents for which the head opens an argument position (Lehmann 1985). The Universal Dependencies database acknowledges this distinction, but does not follow it:<br>
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?The UD taxonomy is centered around the fairly clear distinction between core arguments (primarily subjects and objects) and other dependents. It does not make a distinction between adjuncts (general modifiers) and oblique arguments (arguments said to be selected by a head but not expressed as a core argument).? (link<<a href="https://universaldependencies.org/workgroups/core.html#:~:text=The%20UD%20taxonomy%20is%20centered,expressed%20as%20a%20core%20argument)" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://universaldependencies.org/workgroups/core.html#:~:text=The%20UD%20taxonomy%20is%20centered,expressed%20as%20a%20core%20argument)</a>.>)<br>
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As to this point of yours:<br>
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?The question, however, is how to (semantically) rule out the tool used in a hitting action, for example, as a non-argument (maybe the tool in a cutting action has a different cognitive status than the one in a hitting action, but I?m not sure).?<br>
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This question is addressed head-on in Bohnemeyer (2007). In a nutshell, I argue that cut-type verbs require instruments that function like bladed instruments, whereas break-type verbs do not require any instrument and certainly don?t specify a particular type of instrument.<br>
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Best ? Juergen<br>
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Bohnemeyer, J. (2007). Morpholexical Transparency and the argument structure of verbs of cutting and breaking. Cognitive Linguistics 18(2): 153-177.<br>
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Dryer, M. S., & O. D. Gensler. (2013). Order of object, oblique, and verb. In M. S. Dryer & M. Haspelmath (eds.), WALS Online (v2020.3) [Data set]. Zenodo.<br>
<a href="https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.7385533" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.7385533</a> (Available online at <a href="http://wals.info/chapter/84" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wals.info/chapter/84</a>, Accessed on 2024-07-09.)<br>
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Jolly, J. A. (1993). Preposition assignment in English. In R. D. Van Valin Jr. (ed), Advances in Role and Reference Grammar. Amsterdam: Benjamins. 275-310.<br>
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Lehmann, C. (1985). On grammatical relationality. Folia Linguistica 19: 67-109.<br>
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Van Valin, R. D. Jr. (1993). A synopsis of Role and Reference Grammar. In R. D. Van Valin Jr. (ed), Advances in Role and Reference Grammar. Amsterdam: Benjamins. 1-166.<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Distinction between semantic arguments and semantic adjuncts<br>
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Hi Juergen,<br>
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Thank you for your detailed response. It?s clear that you use ?oblique? in a restrictive sense to mean oblique arguments. In my mind, ?oblique?, like the traditional use, refers to marked case marking (or marked flagging in an extended sense). I believe that?s why we find each other?s phrasing a bit confusing or problematic. By the way, it also shows how messy and murky linguistic terms are!<br>
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Back to semantic arguments, if go is analyzed as a three-argument verb, as suggested by your example, it creates some tension or at least some uneasiness when it is typically analyzed as a monovalent verb. Similarly, back to buy and sell, a four-argument analysis of them, whether standard or not, also creates some tension when they are often analyzed as or assumed to be bivalent verbs. This also brings us to prototypical two-argument verbs. In the literature on linguistic typology, hit, kill, and the like are generally presented as prime examples of such verbs. The question, however, is how to (semantically) rule out the tool used in a hitting action, for example, as a non-argument (maybe the tool in a cutting action has a different cognitive status than the one in a hitting action, but I?m not sure). An ideal solution to me is coming up with a definition of semantic argument that can successfully accomplish this and also match (more) with our intuition (e.g. intuitively the four par<br>
ticipants involved in buy/sell are not equal in status).<br>
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(As a side clarificatory note not truly related to the content of your message, semantic arguments are not necessarily tied with verbs, as event-denoting nouns, for example, may also require one or more semantic arguments.)<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Chao<br>
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On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 9:56?AM Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
Hi Chao ? Yes, _buy_ and _sell_ have four semantic arguments (standard analysis since Fillmore (1982?) and Jackendoff (1990?) (citing from memory without having checked these specific works) and _cut_ has three.<br>
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But the phrase ?formally realized as an oblique? seems problematic to me. In my view, there is no clear morphosyntactic difference between obliques and adjuncts except that a proper subset of obliques are more or less obligatory and to that extent could be argued to be subcategorized for by the verb (or governed by the verb, in the traditional (pre-GB) sense of ?government?).<br>
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But this obligatoriness should in my view not be taken to be a definitional property, because that would cut out the vast majority of obliques, which are not obligatory, yet are semantically clearly not modifiers. And that is, afaik, the whole point of distinguishing between obliques and adjuncts: to capture the fact that the latter, but not the former, are modifiers.<br>
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The primary difference between obliques and adjuncts is not morphosyntactic, but semantic. To be sure, it is never a happy outcome when semantic properties are needed to underpin morphosyntactic categories or vice versa. But the closer one gets to talking about form-meaning mapping, the harder it becomes to avoid such hybrid definitions.<br>
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Time location specifications are usually treated as adjuncts = modifiers. One exception (among a few) is _last_ as in (1). Locatives are usually treated as adjuncts = modifiers. One exception (among a few) is _live_ as in (2). Motion verbs commonly take path obliques, as illustrated in (3):<br>
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(1) The meeting lasted from 9am until 10:20.<br>
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(2) Sally lived in Buffalo in those days.<br>
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(3) Floyd went from the Dean?s office to the library.<br>
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Finally, a puzzle: every event necessarily occupies a spacetime region. So (2) and (3) describe eventualities that we know must have occurred during particular moments in time, regardless of whether these are specified. So how then can we say that in those days in (2) is a modifier, whereas in Buffalo is an oblique? This is not at all a trivial problem. I could imagine treatments in which all time-positional and locative expressions are regarded as obliques. However, I would argue that is precisely the fact that all eventuality designators are by necessity compatible with spacetime specifications that limits the predictive power of the former for the occurrence of the latter.<br>
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HTH! ? Juergen<br>
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Fillmore, C. J. (1982). Frame semantics. In The Linguistic Society of Korea (ed.), Linguistics in the Morning Calm. Soeul: Hanshin. 111-137.<br>
Jackendoff, R. (1990). Semantic structures. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Distinction between semantic arguments and semantic adjuncts<br>
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Hi Juergen,<br>
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Thank you for all your information. If semantic arguments are participants predictable from the verb?s meaning (regardless of how they are overtly realized in real use), will buy and sell have four semantic arguments to you? Will cut have three?<br>
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(Also, were you defining obliques as semantic arguments (morpho)syntactically realized as an oblique? Or were you intending such semantic arguments as a subset of obliques as far as formal realization is concerned? If the former, what would you call those expressions that denote, for example, time or location but are also formally realized as an oblique?)<br>
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Thanks again,<br>
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Chao<br>
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On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 10:31?PM Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
Dear Chao ? In theory, true adjuncts are modifiers, meaning they are not predictable based on the semantics of the verb. In contrast, obliques ? semantic arguments that are expressed like adjuncts ? must be predictable from the verb?s meaning. In practice, though, predictability is a matter of degree. For example, Koenig et al. (2008) show that English verbs form a continuum in terms of predicting an instrument. Regarding specifically verbs of cutting, Bohnemeyer (2007) compares the argument structure properties of such verbs across languages. ? Best ? Juergen<br>
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Bohnemeyer, J. (2007). Morpholexical Transparency and the argument structure of verbs of cutting and breaking. Cognitive Linguistics 18(2): 153-177.<br>
Koenig, J.-P., G. Mauner, B. Bienvenue, & K. Conklin. (2008). What with? The anatomy of a role. Journal of Semantics 25(2): 175-220.<br>
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Subject: [Lingtyp] Distinction between semantic arguments and semantic adjuncts<br>
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Dear Colleagues,<br>
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The distinction between argument and adjunct is crucial for many linguistic analyses and much linguistic theorizing. However, how to define the argument and the adjunct and how to clearly distinguish between the two are controversial. Further complicating the issue is the existence of two related levels, semantic and (morpho)syntactic (e.g. what is semantically considered an argument may be (morpho)syntactically realized as an adjunct, as evidenced by passive formation in English). To be clear, this query is about the distinction between semantic arguments and semantic adjuncts (or semantic non-arguments). Specifically, in the case of verbs like buy and sell and in the context of a business transaction that generally involves a buyer, a seller, a transfer of goods, and a transfer of money, how many semantic arguments does each verb have, what are they, and what is the rationale behind the analysis? Similarly, in the case of cut, how many semantic arguments does it have and will that <br>
include the tool used in the cutting too? After all, isn?t the tool a necessary participant of the cutting action and how often do we cut something without using any tool? Likewise, how many semantic arguments in the case of bring?<br>
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Particularly, without looking at the different syntactic frames and constructions where these verbs occur or without paying any attention to how they are really used, on what (semantic) grounds can we say that Participant X is an argument of buy, sell, cut, or bring or that Participant Y is an adjunct of the same verb? For colleagues who?d like to make a further distinction between core arguments and peripheral arguments in addition to the distinction between arguments and adjuncts, then the following questions arise. Namely, if without looking at the different syntactic frames and constructions where these verbs occur, on what (semantic) grounds can we say that Participant X is a core argument, a peripheral argument, or an adjunct (of buy, sell, cut, or bring) and what is the difference between a peripheral argument and an adjunct?<br>
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Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much in advance for your time and help!<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Chao<br>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 17:08:24 +0000<br>
From: Francesca Masini <<a href="mailto:francesca.masini@unibo.it" target="_blank">francesca.masini@unibo.it</a>><br>
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Subject: [Lingtyp] Evaluative morphology expressing<br>
"authenticity/prototypicality"<br>
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Dear Lingtyp community,<br>
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I?m looking for examples of evaluative word-formation processes (affixation, compounding, reduplication, etc.) conveying ?authenticity/prototypicality? (Grandi & K?rtv?lyessy 2015: 11). Some relevant examples would be:<br>
<br>
(1)<br>
Kwaza (van der Voort 2015: 608)<br>
kanwa-tete<br>
canoe-INT<br>
?real canoe?<br>
<br>
(2)<br>
Warlpiri (Bowler 2015: 439)<br>
warna-nyayirni<br>
snake-AUG<br>
?poisonous snake? [?[i]n central Australia, the characteristic of being poisonous or dangerous is a highly salient feature of many indigenous snakes?]<br>
<br>
(3)<br>
Kikuyu (Komu 2008: 50; quoted in Mattiola & Barotto 2023: 150)<br>
irio > irioirio<br>
?food? > ?real food (not junk food)?<br>
<br>
I would be extremely grateful for your help!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Francesca<br>
<br>
REFERENCES<br>
<br>
Bowler, Margit. 2015. Warlpiri. In Nicola Grandi & Livia K?rtvelyessy (eds.), The Edinburgh handbook of evaluative morphology, 438?447. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.<br>
<br>
Grandi, Nicola & L?via K?rtvelyessy. 2015. Introduction: Why evaluative morphology? In Nicola Grandi & L?via K?rtvelyessy (Eds.), The Edinburgh handbook of evaluative morphology, 3-20. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.<br>
<br>
Komu, Mary W. 2008. An analysis of Gikuyu reduplication in the light of prosodic morphological approach. Nairobi: Kenyatta University MA thesis.<br>
<br>
Mattiola, Simone & Alessandra Barotto. 2023. Nominal reduplication in cross-linguistic perspective. From PLURALITY to CHANGE OF REFERENTS? SPECIFICITY. Studies in Language 47(1). 135?189.<br>
<br>
van der Voort, Hein. 2015. Kwaza. In Nicola Grandi& Livia K?rtvelyessy (eds.), The Edinburgh handbook of evaluative morphology, 606?615. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.<br>
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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<br>
Prof. Francesca Masini<br>
Rector?s Delegate for Open Science and Research Data<br>
Alma Mater Studiorum - Universit? di Bologna<br>
Dipartimento di Lingue, Letterature e Culture Moderne (LILEC)<br>
Via Cartoleria 5, 40124 Bologna<br>
<a href="http://www.unibo.it/docenti/francesca.masini" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.unibo.it/docenti/francesca.masini</a><br>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 10:20:10 -0700<br>
From: Larry M Hyman <<a href="mailto:hyman@berkeley.edu" target="_blank">hyman@berkeley.edu</a>><br>
To: Francesca Masini <<a href="mailto:francesca.masini@unibo.it" target="_blank">francesca.masini@unibo.it</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Evaluative morphology expressing<br>
"authenticity/prototypicality"<br>
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Dear Francesca -<br>
<br>
Kinande has the same as Kikuyu. although my impression is that<br>
reduplication generally has the opposite meaning in Bantu language, "a<br>
lousy/defective example of X".<br>
I'm pasting in example from the following article, which dealt more with<br>
the form side of reduplication (including verb stem reduplication). If you<br>
want to see more let me know.<br>
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Best, Larry<br>
<br>
Mutaka, Ngessimo & Larry M. Hyman. 1990. Syllable and morpheme integrity in<br>
Kinande reduplication.* Phonology *73-119.<br>
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 10:08?AM Francesca Masini via Lingtyp <<br>
<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear Lingtyp community,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I?m looking for examples of evaluative word-formation processes<br>
> (affixation, compounding, reduplication, etc.) conveying<br>
> ?authenticity/prototypicality? (Grandi & K?rtv?lyessy 2015: 11). Some<br>
> relevant examples would be:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> (1)<br>
><br>
> Kwaza (van der Voort 2015: 608)<br>
><br>
> kanwa-tete<br>
><br>
> canoe-INT<br>
><br>
> ?real canoe?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> (2)<br>
><br>
> Warlpiri (Bowler 2015: 439)<br>
><br>
> warna-nyayirni<br>
><br>
> snake-AUG<br>
><br>
> ?poisonous snake? [?[i]n central Australia, the characteristic of being<br>
> poisonous or dangerous is a highly salient feature of many indigenous<br>
> snakes?]<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> (3)<br>
><br>
> Kikuyu (Komu 2008: 50; quoted in Mattiola & Barotto 2023: 150)<br>
><br>
> irio > irioirio<br>
><br>
> ?food? > ?real food (not junk food)?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I would be extremely grateful for your help!<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Francesca<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> REFERENCES<br>
><br>
> Bowler, Margit. 2015. Warlpiri. In Nicola Grandi & Livia K?rtvelyessy<br>
> (eds.), *The Edinburgh handbook of evaluative morphology*, 438?447.<br>
> Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.<br>
><br>
> Grandi, Nicola & L?via K?rtvelyessy. 2015. Introduction: Why evaluative<br>
> morphology? In Nicola Grandi & L?via K?rtvelyessy (Eds.), The Edinburgh<br>
> handbook of evaluative morphology, 3-20. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University<br>
> Press.<br>
><br>
> Komu, Mary W. 2008. An analysis of Gikuyu reduplication in the light of<br>
> prosodic morphological approach. Nairobi: Kenyatta University MA thesis.<br>
><br>
> Mattiola, Simone & Alessandra Barotto. 2023. Nominal reduplication in<br>
> cross-linguistic perspective. From PLURALITY to CHANGE OF REFERENTS?<br>
> SPECIFICITY. *Studies in Language *47(1). 135?189.<br>
><br>
> van der Voort, Hein. 2015. Kwaza. In Nicola Grandi& Livia K?rtvelyessy<br>
> (eds.), *The Edinburgh handbook of evaluative morphology*, 606?615.<br>
> Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<br>
> *Prof. Francesca Masini*<br>
> *Rector?s Delegate for Open Science and Research Data*<br>
><br>
> Alma Mater Studiorum - Universit? di Bologna<br>
> Dipartimento di Lingue, Letterature e Culture Moderne (LILEC)<br>
> Via Cartoleria 5, 40124 Bologna<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.unibo.it/docenti/francesca.masini" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.unibo.it/docenti/francesca.masini</a><br>
><br>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?<br>
> Editor-in-chief of *Constructions and Frames<br>
> <<a href="https://benjamins.com/catalog/cf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://benjamins.com/catalog/cf</a>>*<br>
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