<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Hi Randy,</span><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">I’d like to add an example: When chairing your talk at our 2018 language typology forum (University of Sydney), Prof Christian Matthiessen introduced you as a ‘linguist linguist’ ;-)</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Pin</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 12 Jul 2024, at 2:26 am, Randy J. LaPolla via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" class="">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi again Mira,<div class="">A more exact natural example of what you are talking about was used by Larry Horn teaching Pragmatics many years ago: At an LSA conference someone got ill, so one person got up on stage and asked the attendees “Is there a doctor in the house?” and half the audience raised their hands. The person then said, “No, a <b class="">doctor</b> doctor!”</div><div class=""><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage" class=""><div class="">Randy</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 10 Jul 2024, at 8:55 PM, Mira Ariel <<a href="mailto:mariel@tauex.tau.ac.il" class="">mariel@tauex.tau.ac.il</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Yes, this is the trajectory Bardenstein and Ariel talk about. Better think of “a cookie cookie”. That can have both prototypical and intensified meanings.</div>
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Interesting - I'd have interpreted that ad to mean not 'central/prototype' but something more evaluative: 'the best you can get' or words to that effect. The picture doesn't look like what I would consider a prototype cookie (or biscuit, as I would say!).</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Mira’s message reminded me of an English example where repetition narrows the term to central/prototype inferences:
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jul 10, 2024, at 15:42, Mira Ariel via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" class="">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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Dear Francesca and others,</div>
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I'm curious to know if these prototypicalization morphemes sometimes evolve an intensifying function later. </div>
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Bardenstein and I have a paper in <i class="">Studies in</i> <i class="">Language </i>46:2 (2022), where we trace the evolution of a number of intensifiers. Lo and behold, they evolve from expressions which narrow the application of the term to its central/prototpycal instances.
Later on this narrower may evolve an intensifying function. We only discuss independent modifiers, but reduplication, even morphological one, can indicate intensification:</div>
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'Central concept of beautiful (not 'more or less beautiful')'/'Very beautiful' </div>
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'Very beautiful' </div>
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Evaluative morphology expressing "authenticity/prototypicality"</font>
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Dear Francesca (and all),</div>
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Leti (Austronesian) has an "exactness" marker -- which again, actually appears to be a clitic, but anyway:</div>
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‘It flaps.’ ‘It sort of flaps.’</div>
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van Engelenhoven, Aone, 2004. <i class="">Leti, a Language of Southwest Maluku </i>(Verhandelingen van het Koninklijk Instituut voor Taal-, Land- en Volkenkunde 211). KITLV Press, Leiden.</div>
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<div class="">Dear Francesca,<br class="">
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Cabecar (Chibchan) has a a formative <i class="">sí̱</i> with a twofold distribution:<br class="">
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a) As a derivational suffix on nouns, it means 'authentic', 'prototypical':<br class="">
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<font face="Cambria, serif" class=""><font size="2" style="font-size:11pt" class="">dog-<span style="font-variant:small-caps" class="">auth</span></font></font></p><p class="x_x_x_ex-translation"><font face="Cambria, serif" class=""> ‘authentic dog’</font></p><p lang="zxx" align="left" style="page-break-inside:avoid; margin-left:1.27cm; margin-top:0.21cm; page-break-after:avoid" class="">
<font color="#008000" class=""><font face="Cambria, serif" class="">b. ju-sí̱</font></font></p><p lang="zxx" align="left" style="page-break-inside:avoid; margin-left:1.27cm; page-break-after:avoid" class="">
<font face="Cambria, serif" class=""><font size="2" style="font-size:11pt" class="">house-<span style="font-variant:small-caps" class="">auth</span></font></font></p><p class="x_x_x_ex-translation"><font face="Cambria, serif" class=""> ‘authentic/real/legitimate house (i.e. traditional Cabecar house)’</font></p>
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<font face="Cambria, serif" class=""><font size="2" style="font-size:11pt" class="">nice=<span style="font-variant:small-caps" class="">cmpr</span></font></font></p><p class="x_x_x_ex-translation"><font face="Cambria, serif" class=""> ‘comparatively/truly nice’<br class="">
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<font color="#008000" class=""><font face="Cambria, serif" class="">b. daláá=sí̱</font></font></p><p lang="zxx" align="left" style="page-break-inside:avoid; margin-left:1.27cm; page-break-after:avoid" class="">
<font face="Cambria, serif" class=""><font size="2" style="font-size:11pt" class="">yellow=<span style="font-variant:small-caps" class="">cmpr</span></font></font></p><p class="x_x_x_ex-translation"><font face="Cambria, serif" class=""> ‘genuinely yellow’</font></p><p class="x_x_x_paragraph-w-lead">It fulfills this latter function in comparative constructions, too.</p><p class="x_x_x_paragraph-w-lead">Best, Christian<br class="">
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