<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">dear Christian,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As a point of reference, it may be interesting to note that the semantic feature of retrolative would be expressed analytically in languages with (certain types of) verb serialization.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">For example, consider the Papuan language Kalam, as described in <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrew-Pawley/publication/300841393_On_the_origins_of_serial_verb_constructions_in_Kalam/links/58d0fd8b4585158476f36662/On-the-origins-of-serial-verb-constructions-in-Kalam.pdf">Pawley (2009)</a>:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><ul><li><font size="1">Pawley, Andrew. 2009. On the origins of serial verb constructions in Kalam. In Talmy Givón & Masayoshi Shibatani (eds.), <i>Syntactic complexity: Diachrony, acquisition, neuro-cognition, evolution</i> (Typological Studies in Language v. 85), 119–144. Amsterdam ; Philadelphia: Benjamins.</font></li></ul></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Pawley cites various examples of <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrew-Pawley/publication/300841393_On_the_origins_of_serial_verb_constructions_in_Kalam/links/58d0fd8b4585158476f36662/On-the-origins-of-serial-verb-constructions-in-Kalam.pdf#page=4">this type</a>:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">(1) <b>am </b>mab pu-wk d <b>ap</b> agl kn-la-k. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font size="1"> <b>go </b>wood hit-break.up get <b>come </b>ignite sleep-3PL-PAST <br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> “They gathered firewood for the night.”</font><br><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"> [lit. ‘They went and gathered firewood and brought it, made a fire and slept.']</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The retrolative semantic component is here encoded analytically, using distinct (serialized) verbs “go... get... <u>come</u>...”.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Pawley calls such event-types “collecting expeditions”, and shows that the serial pattern is grammaticalized, i.e. linguistically entrenched in the phraseological / formulaic routines of Kalam. <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrew-Pawley/publication/300841393_On_the_origins_of_serial_verb_constructions_in_Kalam/links/58d0fd8b4585158476f36662/On-the-origins-of-serial-verb-constructions-in-Kalam.pdf#page=18">On p.135</a> he provides the recipe for the pattern:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:center;font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><img src="cid:ii_lzl40ncc0" alt="image.png" width="472" height="250"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Similar analytic strategies for the retrolative meaning can be found in other serializing languages, at least in those where the sequence of clauses iconically reflects a sequence of (sub)events. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">[NB: In another type of serializing languages, all verbs must reflect simultaneous facets of a single event; they would not work in the same way.]</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Think also of constructions in -て来る <i>-te kuru </i><font size="1">[-Converb come] </font>in colloquial Japanese:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">e.g.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">(2) <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">買い物に行って</span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><b>来</b></span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">るよ。</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> <i>Kaimono=ni it-te ku-ru yo.</i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> <font size="1"> shopping=OBL go-CVB <b>come</b>-Npst PTC</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> “I'm going grocery-shopping.” [lit. 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Dear colleagues,<br>
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I was told occasionally that there is a local relation - let's call
it retrolative - consisting of a movement to reference point R and
back to the point of departure. In the languages that have it in
their grammar, it would be in a paradigm with ablative, allative,
perlative. Unless I am mistaken, English only has it embodied in the
meaning of <i>fetch</i>, and likewise in German <i>holen</i>.<br>
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<li>Is retrolative the right term, or is the relation known under
a different term?</li>
<li>Please give me a representative example of the type 'Jane went
to R round-trip' or 'Jane fetched the axe from the shed' using a
retrolative case or adposition or a retrolative formative in
some other structural category.</li>
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Thanks in advance,<br>
Christian<br>
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