<div dir="ltr"><div>The same holds for Ital. , too:  And without the Span. graphic distinction between the interrogative<i> perché? </i>and the causative<i> perché</i></div><div><i>¿Por qué la gallina cruzó la carretera? Porque quería llegar al otro<br>lado.</i><br>'for what the chicken crossed the road? because[forwhat] wanted get<br>to:the other side':</div><div><i><u>Perché </u>la gallina traversò la strada? <u>Perché </u>voleva arrivare dall'altra parte</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Best,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Paolo</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Prof. Dr. Paolo Ramat</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div>piazzetta Arduino 11 - I 27100 Pavia</div></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">##39 0382 27027</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">347 044 98 44</div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 11 nov 2024 alle ore 13:48 Alexander Coupe via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear Jeremy,<br>
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Anju Saxena's 1988 BLS paper discusses grammaticalizations involving 'say' in various TB languages of South Asia, some of which have causal meanings - see attached.<br>
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Best,<br>
Alec<br>
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On 9/11/24, 11:17 PM, "Lingtyp on behalf of Jeremy Bradley via Lingtyp" <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> on behalf of <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Dear all,<br>
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I am looking at the conventionalization, eventually grammaticalization<br>
of phrases meaning something along the lines of 'if you say/ask why' as<br>
causal conjunctions 'because', in the languages of the world. I'm<br>
currently aware of this happening (with some variation in the exact<br>
structuring) in:<br>
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Mari (Uralic)<br>
Udmurt (Uralic)<br>
Chuvash (Turkic)<br>
Buryat (Mongolic)<br>
Lezgian (Northeast Caucasian)<br>
Tamil (Dravidian)<br>
Middle Indo-Aryan (IE)<br>
Japanese<br>
Korean<br>
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... which all have in common that they're SOV languages; it strikes me<br>
as plausible that this is a pattern that easily arises when an SOV<br>
language "needs" a mechanism for a postposed causal clause. But two<br>
things I'm curious about:<br>
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1) Does anybody know of other languages that do this, esp.<br>
non-SOV-languages?<br>
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2) Does anybody know about any systematic research on this process?<br>
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Best,<br>
Jeremy<br>
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--<br>
Jeremy Bradley, Ph.D.<br>
University of Vienna<br>
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