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<div>thank you all for your recommendations on this fascinating topic. There seem to be multiple theories explaining different types of pressures, which may all be equally valid competing factors. The consensus on this issue, if any, may be described by a quote
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<div>After over a century of work on adjective ordering, many questions—both empirical and theoretical—remain unanswered. However, when it comes to the source of ordering preferences, the picture appears to be relatively clear: “There is no single and all-encompassing
answer to the question of how adjectives are ordered linearly in all real speech situations or written texts” (Hetzron 1978, p. 178). In other words, there is no single source of ordering preferences. Rather, the regularities that we witness represent the
result of several pressures, some of them conflicting. Considerations of accessibility, processing cost, communicative success, and choice of meaning are all likely to influence what we perceive as ordering preferences—and no doubt there are other considerations
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<div>2025/01/05 05:37, Aleksandrs Berdicevskis via Lingtyp <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org> 작성:</div>
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<div>Jennifer Culbertson et al. 2020 have attempted a functional-cognitive explanation, see: Culbertson, J., Schouwstra, M., & Kirby, S. (2020). From the world to word order: Deriving biases in noun phrase order from statistical properties of the world.
<i>Language </i>96(3), 696-717. <a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.1353/lan.2020.0045">
https://dx.doi.org/10.1353/lan.2020.0045</a>.</div>
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<div>Bob Dixon and Peter Matthews have both written about the order of English pre-nominal adjectives. See:</div>
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<div>Dixon, R. M. W. 1982 Where have All the Adjectives Gone?: And Other Essays in Semantics and Syntax, Berlin, New York: De Gruyter Mouton.
<a href="https://doi.org/10.1515/9783110822939" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1515/9783110822939</a></div>
<div>Matthews, P.H. 2014. The Positions of Adjectives in English. Oxford: Oxford University Press. <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-positions-of-adjectives-in-english-9780199681594?cc=gb&lang=en&#" target="_blank">https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-positions-of-adjectives-in-english-9780199681594?cc=gb&lang=en&#</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 11:50, Paul Flanagan via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>My PhD (2014) was on attribute adjective order, with a big focus on English (and an overview of work done on this feature) but with cross-linguistic perspective too. You can find it here: <a href="https://chesterrep.openrepository.com/handle/10034/605666" target="_blank">https://chesterrep.openrepository.com/handle/10034/605666</a>.</div>
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<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt"><span style="line-height:17.12px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Flanagan, P.J. (2019). A Certain Romance: Style-shifting in the language of Alex Turner in Arctic Monkeys songs 2006-2018. <i>Language and Literature, </i>29(1),
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<p>Hansjakob Seiler published various articles entirely devoted to your question, starting with<br>
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<p>Seiler, Hansjakob 1978, "Determination: A functional dimension for inter-language comparison." Seiler, Hansjakob (ed.),
<i>Language universals. Papers from the Conference held at Gummersbach/Cologne, Germany, October 3-8, 1976.</i> Tübingen: G. Narr (Tübinger Beiträge zur Linguistik, 111); 301-32.</p>
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<div>I have come across multiple sources in popular media that the adjectives within an English noun phrase must follow this order: opinion-size-age-shape-color-origin-material-purpose.</div>
<div>For example, "a lovely (opinion) big (size) red (color) wood (material) house” and not “*a wood lovely red big house.”</div>
<div>What’s curious is that I couldn’t find any academic source for this (seemingly convincing) claim. I’m curious to know how strict it is a grammatical rule, what are the functional-cognitive explanations for it, and whether similar rules (or tendencies)
are present in other languages.</div>
<div>If anyone could point to any relevant previous research, it would be much appreciated.</div>
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<div>From Otaru,</div>
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