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<div class="elementToProof">The volume that Andrea cites also has a chapter on the 'come' passive in Romanian by Adina Dragorimescu and Alexandru Nicolae.</div>
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<div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Professor Nigel Vincent, FBA MAE<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Andrea Sansò via Lingtyp <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2025 6:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paolo Ramat <paoram@unipv.it><br>
<b>Cc:</b> LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] COME-passives</font>
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<p>Dear Sergey,</p>
<p>Anna Giacalone Ramat and I have written a paper on the grammaticalization of <em>
venire</em> (‘come’) in Italian as an auxiliary in passive constructions. Please find it attached.</p>
<p>Here is the bibliographic reference:<br>
in Maud Devos & Jenneke van der Wal (eds.), <em>‘Come’ and ‘go’ off the beaten grammaticalization path</em>, pp. 21–44. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br>
Andrea</p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 5:11 PM Paolo Ramat via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>In Bavarian German you may say</div>
<div>(1) <i>Då <b>kummt </b>de nei(e) Schul gebaut</i><br>
“Hier wird die neue Schule gebaut”,</div>
<div>probably a loan from Ital. <i>Qui <b>viene </b>costruita la nuova scuola</i>, or from Rhaeto-Romance
<i>Co^ <b>vein </b>fabricheda la scuola nuova</i></div>
<div>See Ramat in "Lg Sciences" 20 (3) , 1998: 227ff. (with reference to Mayerthaler & Mayerthaler 1990).</div>
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<div>Paolo Ramat</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">Il giorno dom 23 feb 2025 alle ore 13:56 Timur Maisak via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> ha scritto:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sure, see e.g. <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.academia.edu/35547425/__;!!PDiH4ENfjr2_Jw!GLdglS8O1NYl4Z-4Msk5FeNWlhegpMEkjazXYXQp8SZQ59QJvxinLw3SjtYFjnNanm5km5BGgG44M3u9_wFoJKlwUmjeb4qR6zZ0oA$" target="_blank">
Maisak 2005 [academia.edu]</a> or <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.academia.edu/21211924/__;!!PDiH4ENfjr2_Jw!GLdglS8O1NYl4Z-4Msk5FeNWlhegpMEkjazXYXQp8SZQ59QJvxinLw3SjtYFjnNanm5km5BGgG44M3u9_wFoJKlwUmjeb4qpFZN1ug$" target="_blank">
Schulze 2015 [academia.edu]</a>.
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<div>Timur Maisak</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">вс, 23 февр. 2025 г. в 15:42, Sergey Loesov via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>>:<br>
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<strong><span style="font-weight:normal">Dear colleagues,</span></strong><b></b></p>
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Are you aware of <strong><span style="font-weight:normal">COME-passives</span></strong> in any of the world’s languages? In Kurmanji, a North-West Iranian language, the passive voice is formed using the verb
<em>hatin</em> (‘to come’), which is fully conjugated for all TAM forms, followed by the infinitive. This construction appears to be
<strong><span style="font-weight:normal">diachronically young</span></strong>, because Kurmanji has a split ergative alignment. Its preterit base (from which the infinitive seems to be formed secondarily) is a reflex of the
<em><span style="font-style:normal">PIU resultative participle in </span>-ta</em>, and the choice between the ergative and the absolutive depends entirely on the inherent transitivity of the verb.</p>
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Thank you very much,</p>
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Sergey</p>
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