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    <p><font face="Calibri">Dear Johannes,</font></p>

    <p><font face="Calibri">Examples similar to Mari, also in contact

        with Russian, can be found elsewhere in Uralic. E.g. the INEL

        Selkup corpus also has a couple of examples of "nʼikutɨ"

        'nobody' (kutɨ 'who'), "nʼikunɨ / nʼikut" 'nowhere' (kunɨ / kut

        'where').<br>

        Exmaples of non-negative indefinites series built with native

        interrogative pronouns and borrowed Russian particles are

        perhaps more numerous, e.g. in the recordings of the last Kamas

      </font><span class="word_in_table"

data-ana="&lt;div class=&quot;popup_word&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_wf&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_ana&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;popup_grdic&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_lex&quot;&gt;ĭmbi&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_pos&quot;&gt;que=ptcl

&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_en&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_en: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_ru&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_ru: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;что&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_BOR&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;BOR: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;RUS:gram(INDEF)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what-INDEF&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gramm&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_field&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;gr: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;indef&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_ana_other popup_field_ps&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;ps: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;que&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;">speaker: ĭ</span><font face="Calibri">mbi-</font><span

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data-ana="&lt;div class=&quot;popup_word&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_wf&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_ana&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;popup_grdic&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_lex&quot;&gt;ĭmbi&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_pos&quot;&gt;que=ptcl

&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_en&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_en: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_ru&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_ru: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;что&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_BOR&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;BOR: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;RUS:gram(INDEF)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what-INDEF&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gramm&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_field&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;gr: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;indef&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_ana_other popup_field_ps&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;ps: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;que&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;">nʼibudʼ 'something' (</span><span

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data-ana="&lt;div class=&quot;popup_word&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_wf&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_ana&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;popup_grdic&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_lex&quot;&gt;ĭmbi&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_pos&quot;&gt;que=ptcl

&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_en&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_en: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_ru&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_ru: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;что&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_BOR&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;BOR: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;RUS:gram(INDEF)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what-INDEF&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gramm&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_field&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;gr: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;indef&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_ana_other popup_field_ps&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;ps: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;que&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;">ĭ</span><font face="Calibri">mbi 'what'</font><span

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data-ana="&lt;div class=&quot;popup_word&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_wf&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_ana&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;popup_grdic&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_lex&quot;&gt;ĭmbi&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_pos&quot;&gt;que=ptcl

&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_en&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_en: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_ru&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_ru: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;что&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_BOR&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;BOR: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;RUS:gram(INDEF)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what-INDEF&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gramm&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_field&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;gr: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;indef&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_ana_other popup_field_ps&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;ps: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;que&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;">), </span><span class="word_in_table"

data-ana="&lt;div class=&quot;popup_word&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_wf&quot;&gt;gibər-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_ana&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;popup_grdic&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_lex&quot;&gt;gibər&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_pos&quot;&gt;que=ptcl

&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_en&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_en: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;where.to&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_ru&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_ru: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;куда&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_BOR&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;BOR: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;RUS:gram(INDEF)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;gibər-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;where.to-INDEF&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gramm&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_field&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;gr: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;indef&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_ana_other popup_field_ps&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;ps: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;que&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;">gibər-nʼibudʼ </span><span class="word_in_table"

data-ana="&lt;div class=&quot;popup_word&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_wf&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_ana&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;popup_grdic&quot;&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_lex&quot;&gt;ĭmbi&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span class=&quot;popup_pos&quot;&gt;que=ptcl

&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_en&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_en: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_trans_ru&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;trans_ru: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;что&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_BOR&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;BOR: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;RUS:gram(INDEF)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;ĭmbi-nʼibudʼ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gloss&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;what-INDEF&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_gramm&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_field&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;gr: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;indef&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;popup_field popup_field_ana_other popup_field_ps&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_key&quot;&gt;ps: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;popup_value&quot;&gt;que&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;">'somewhere (lative)' (gibər 'where (lative)'),

        šindi-nʼibudʼ 'somebody' (šindi 'who'). Besides the common

        Russian indefinite marker -nʼibudʼ, the more colloquial "popalo"

        (as in "čto popalo" 'anything, whatever'; originally a form of

        the verb "popast' " 'to get in, to fall in') is also attested in

        both Selkup and Kamas texts.<br>

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://inel.corpora.uni-hamburg.de/KamasCorpus/search?n_words=1&random_seed=1745322490&BOR1=RUS%3Agram%5C(INDEF%5C)&n_ana1=any&lang1=kamas">https://inel.corpora.uni-hamburg.de/KamasCorpus/search?n_words=1&random_seed=1745322490&BOR1=RUS%3Agram%5C(INDEF%5C)&n_ana1=any&lang1=kamas</a><br>

        <br>

        Best,<br>

        Alexandre<br>

        <br>

        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://inel.corpora.uni-hamburg.de/">https://inel.corpora.uni-hamburg.de/</a><br>

        <br>

      </span></p>

    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">22/04/2025 11:26, Johannes Hirvonen via

      Lingtyp пишет:<br>

    </div>

    <blockquote type="cite"

      cite="mid:0a93a264-cebd-45b8-b460-5be40b104e5a@univie.ac.at">Dear

      typologists,

      <br>

      <br>

      I am currently gathering data for a study on borrowed indefinite

      pronouns and markers, with a focus on negative indefinite

      pronouns. Leaving aside the various terminological differences,

      what I am looking for are any parts of indefinite pronouns or

      whole indefinite pronouns that have been borrowed.

      <br>

      <br>

      To give examples for the two types: 1) Ramaškonys Lithuanian has

      borrowed nigdi/nigdy ‘never’ as a whole pronoun from Polish; 2)

      Meadow Mari has borrowed the prefix ńi- for the formation of

      negative indefinites with its own interrogative bases (e.g. ńigö

      ‘nobody’) from Russian (compare nikto).

      <br>

      <br>

      I assume that I have already gone through all the ‘obvious’

      sources, and therefore I would be most grateful about specific

      examples from languages you might know from your work.

      <br>

      <br>

      Thank you and best regards

      <br>

      <br>

      Johannes Hirvonen

      <br>

      LMU Munich

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