<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Nigel and all,</div><div><br></div><div>For what it's worth, I have worked on non-finiteness in Australian languages based mostly on Nicolaeva's (2013) criteria. The work is in the form of a PhD thesis chapter and a few presentations which I have available online on ResearchGate. The presentations are below; the first reference should be most relevant to your query. Anyone who is interested in the thesis (chapter) itself is welcome to contact me for a copy. (Some of my terminology, like 'small verb' has changed since I've worked on this.)</div><div>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail-zfr3Q gmail-CDt4Ke" style="line-height:1.656"><font size="2"><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Open Sans",Arial;vertical-align:baseline">Luk, E.</span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);vertical-align:baseline"> (2021). A typological survey of non-finite clause linkage in Australian languages. Presented at the workshop </span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-style:italic;vertical-align:baseline">Emerging Topics in Typology (ETT).</span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);vertical-align:baseline"> Online, 25 October–22 November.</span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Open Sans",Arial;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline"> </span><a class="gmail-XqQF9c" href="https://lirias.kuleuven.be/3753116" target="_blank" style="color:inherit;text-decoration:none"><span class="gmail-C9DxTc gmail-aw5Odc" style="text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">https://lirias.kuleuven.be/3753116</span></a></font></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail-zfr3Q gmail-CDt4Ke" style="line-height:1.656"><font size="2"><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Open Sans",Arial;vertical-align:baseline">Luk, E.</span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);vertical-align:baseline"> (2022). Between complex predicates and clause linkage: A typology of northern Australian languages. Poster presented at the </span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-style:italic;vertical-align:baseline">14th Conference of the Association of Linguistic Typology (ALT 2022)</span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);vertical-align:baseline">. Austin, USA, 15–17 December. </span><a class="gmail-XqQF9c" href="https://lirias.kuleuven.be/4006491" target="_blank" style="color:inherit;text-decoration:none"><span class="gmail-C9DxTc gmail-aw5Odc" style="text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">https://lirias.kuleuven.be/4006491</span></a></font></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail-zfr3Q gmail-CDt4Ke" style="line-height:1.656"><font size="2"><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Open Sans",Arial;vertical-align:baseline">Luk, E. </span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);vertical-align:baseline">(2023). Multifunctional converbs in Australian languages. Presented at the </span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-style:italic;vertical-align:baseline">56th Annual Meeting of the Societas Linguistica Europaea (SLE 2023).</span><span class="gmail-C9DxTc" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);vertical-align:baseline"> Athens, Greece, 29 August–1 September. </span><a class="gmail-XqQF9c" href="http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.25422.64326" target="_blank" style="color:inherit;text-decoration:none"><span class="gmail-C9DxTc gmail-aw5Odc" style="text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.25422.64326</span></a></font></p>
Best wishes,</div><div>Ellison</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 5 May 2025 at 13:00, Nigel Vincent via Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5263875942689217461">
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Thanks to everyone who has answered my query so far for their helpful suggestions. I have had one more from Françoise Rose, who says she can't manage it to post on the Lingtyp list and asks me to do it for her in case people other than me are interested. Here
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Zarina (eds.). 2016. <i>Finiteness and Nominalization</i> (Typological Studies in Language). Vol. 113. Amsterdam: John Benjamins Publishing Company. (doi:<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.1075/tsl.113__;!!PDiH4ENfjr2_Jw!GFs0oCVWn7MnCwr4G1Isek3H-ntiwTfRoC2dkN2VD059X4Y2NA35OqkEBqVbuRdNBa7-b0_BebVzUN8Sru8hBH0Ji3OrDHCD6dB1PjUpEg$" id="m_-3065768777327711700OWA1a45fc2f-f1ec-b38d-f972-da6d34866dde" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.1075/tsl.113__;!!PDiH4ENfjr2_Jw!GFs0oCVWn7MnCwr4G1Isek3H-ntiwTfRoC2dkN2VD059X4Y2NA35OqkEBqVbuRdNBa7-b0_BebVzUN8Sru8hBH0Ji3OrDHCD6dB1PjUpEg$" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">10.1075/tsl.113 [doi.org]</a>)
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<b>Sent:</b> 05 May 2025 11:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Christian Lehmann <<a href="mailto:christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de" target="_blank">christian.lehmann@uni-erfurt.de</a>>; <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a> <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">I assume that Christian is referring to one or both of two papers of mine from the 1970’s: “<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dBLUKpvo8CC0o14LMCUDubqz5ex2o1jJ/view?usp=sharing__;!!PDiH4ENfjr2_Jw!ASzu9_SseKlDubdVx8GJo0LlDmLtf1YDEHRj0P6joc3H4sE11M1MzV7kpRs-_CpL9LiGSVTkeqnF_Aoq1ULjihSPfh2s_YK_XTchvw$" target="_blank">On
Sloppy Identity [drive.google.com]</a>” and “<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TlK3XXtkbBLtXHwUudlLqFA0SGUbftEk/view?usp=sharing__;!!PDiH4ENfjr2_Jw!ASzu9_SseKlDubdVx8GJo0LlDmLtf1YDEHRj0P6joc3H4sE11M1MzV7kpRs-_CpL9LiGSVTkeqnF_Aoq1ULjihSPfh2s_YJ3cXuW7Q$" target="_blank">How
to open a sentence: Abstraction in natural language [drive.google.com]</a>”. P lease tell me if there are any problems with the links.
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<b>För </b>Christian Lehmann via Lingtyp<br>
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<p>Dear Nigel,<br>
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allow me to remind you of two concepts which, to my mind, have proved fruitful both in the descriptive analysis and the typology of non-finite constructions:</p>
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<li>the open proposition/clause</li><li>the oriented proposition/clause.</li></ol>
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[christianlehmann.eu]</a><br>
is on #1 and takes you to #2.<br>
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Unless I am mistaken, concept #1 was introduced into linguistics by Östen Dahl. Both concepts have been used, i.a., by Nikolaus Himmelmann in his analysis of the Philippine voice system (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/files/24331/AP15NF-Himmelmann(1991).pdf)__;!!PDiH4ENfjr2_Jw!ASzu9_SseKlDubdVx8GJo0LlDmLtf1YDEHRj0P6joc3H4sE11M1MzV7kpRs-_CpL9LiGSVTkeqnF_Aoq1ULjihSPfh2s_YIuQauG-w$" target="_blank">http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/files/24331/AP15NF-Himmelmann(1991).pdf)
[publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de]</a>.<br>
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Best,<br>
Christian</p>
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