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<div class="ydp8f3c4ed0MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Vladimir,</div><div class="ydp8f3c4ed0MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><br></div><div class="ydp8f3c4ed0MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I have two suggestions for you.... LaPolla (1993) describes this type
of situation in Mandarin Chinese. As far as I can see, it applies to most if
not all of the (topic-prominent) Sinitic languages as well. I’ve found the same
situation in Khatso (Donlay 2017), a Tibeto-Burman/Yi language. There is a
neutral APV word order, but it’s very flexible and zero anaphora is common. An
optional agent marker is used when the pragmatics isn’t clear enough. In fact,
many of the grammatical particles in this language, including the agent marker,
are multifunctional. As a result, morphosyntax alone is often not enough to clarify
meaning -- pragmatics is needed to fully understand what’s said in given moment.</div>
<p class="ydp8f3c4ed0MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">LaPolla, Randy. 1993. Arguments
against ‘subject’ and ‘direct object’ as viable concepts in Chinese. Bulletin
of the Institute of History and Philology<i> </i>63:759–813. <br></p>
<p class="ydp8f3c4ed0MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Donlay, Chris. 2017. The role of
disambiguation in pragmatic agentivity: Evidence from Khatso. Linguistics of
the Tibeto-Burman Area, 40:202-242.</p>
<p class="ydp8f3c4ed0MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Cheers,</p>
<div class="ydp8f3c4ed0MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Chris Donlay</div><div class="ydp8f3c4ed0MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">San Jose State University</div>
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On Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 05:00:40 AM PDT, lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Send Lingtyp mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:lingtyp-owner@listserv.linguistlist.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lingtyp-owner@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr">than "Re: Contents of Lingtyp digest..."<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Today's Topics:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> 1. Non-marking for argument roles (Vladimir Panov)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 2. Re: Non-marking for argument roles (Vladimir Panov)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 10:28:45 +0300<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Vladimir Panov <<a href="mailto:panovmeister@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">panovmeister@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [Lingtyp] Non-marking for argument roles<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:CALeR4d79LJDgLrunOC7AkAE-MEB1wpQzqMtnmW2q2C4kJMBGXQ@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CALeR4d79LJDgLrunOC7AkAE-MEB1wpQzqMtnmW2q2C4kJMBGXQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Dear linguists,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I have the following question. Are you aware of any doculects/languages<br></div><div dir="ltr">upon which there is a consensus that semantic roles like S, A, P, R are not<br></div><div dir="ltr">obligatorily encoded, neither morphologically, nor through word order or<br></div><div dir="ltr">adpositions? That is, languages in which the assignment of semantic roles,<br></div><div dir="ltr">if any, is entirely matter of context/pragmatics. The famous Riau<br></div><div dir="ltr">Indonesian comes to my mind. Any other suggestions? Maybe there are<br></div><div dir="ltr">publications dedicated specifically to this problem?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Best,<br></div><div dir="ltr">Vladimir Panov, Vilnius University<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/lingtyp/attachments/20250508/2b368577/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/lingtyp/attachments/20250508/2b368577/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 2<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 10:50:14 +0300<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Vladimir Panov <<a href="mailto:panovmeister@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">panovmeister@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Non-marking for argument roles<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CALeR4d4caWvripfHn+m6F=Xd0VEoiDm83UtzND=bnPv=mCHMxA@mail.gmail.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">In order to specify my question a little bit: By saying NO MARKING I mean<br></div><div dir="ltr">exactly this: NO MARKING AT ALL. E.g. if there is marking not on noun<br></div><div dir="ltr">phrases but on the verb or by clitics elsewhere in the clause, then there<br></div><div dir="ltr">definitely is marking of arguments. So typical "polysynthetic" languages<br></div><div dir="ltr">don't count.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">V.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">??, 8 ??? 2025??. ? 10:28, Vladimir Panov <<a href="mailto:panovmeister@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">panovmeister@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Dear linguists,<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I have the following question. Are you aware of any doculects/languages<br></div><div dir="ltr">> upon which there is a consensus that semantic roles like S, A, P, R are not<br></div><div dir="ltr">> obligatorily encoded, neither morphologically, nor through word order or<br></div><div dir="ltr">> adpositions? That is, languages in which the assignment of semantic roles,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> if any, is entirely matter of context/pragmatics. The famous Riau<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Indonesian comes to my mind. Any other suggestions? Maybe there are<br></div><div dir="ltr">> publications dedicated specifically to this problem?<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Best,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Vladimir Panov, Vilnius University<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/lingtyp/attachments/20250508/9d5d66cb/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/lingtyp/attachments/20250508/9d5d66cb/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Digest Footer<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">Lingtyp mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:Lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">End of Lingtyp Digest, Vol 128, Issue 7<br></div><div dir="ltr">***************************************<br></div></div>
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