<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>Peter Behnstedt's chapter "Von an-'Aṣər (al-Qaṣr) nach Igni (Igli)" in the festschrift <i>Approaches to Arabic Dialects: A Collection of Articles presented to Manfred Woidich on the occasion of his 60th birthday</i> (Leiden: Brill, 2003), discusses the regular sound change l > n across two rather distant Arabic dialects. It's not specific to grammatical morphemes, but affects them as well as lexemes.</div><div><br></div><div>Lameen</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 2:00 PM <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Lingtyp mailing list submissions to<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
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Are you aware of a shift *l*- > *n*- affecting the onsets of grammatical<br>
morphemes, specifically in word-initial position?<br>
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Thank you very much!<br>
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Dear Sergey,<br>
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I don?t know about grammatical morphemes specifically, but /l-/ to /n-/ (as well as vice versa) is commonly seen in southern China. See for example Southwestern Mandarin: <a href="https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/communication/articles/10.3389/fcomm.2021.639390/full" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/communication/articles/10.3389/fcomm.2021.639390/full</a><br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
Are you aware of a shift l- > n- affecting the onsets of grammatical morphemes, specifically in word-initial position?<br>
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Thank you very much!<br>
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Sergey<br>
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2025 10:58:27 +0000<br>
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Hi Sergey,<br>
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Not in word-initial position, but in Galo 1p and 2p plural pronouns shift irregularly *?o-lu / *no-lu > ?unu / nunu. It seems to be a case of harmonisation with the initial nasal, as 3p *bu-lu is unaffected. Not sure if that?s at all relevant to what you?re looking for.<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
Are you aware of a shift l- > n- affecting the onsets of grammatical morphemes, specifically in word-initial position?<br>
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Thank you very much!<br>
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Sergey<br>
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In Australian Kriol, the allative preposition langa/la can be nanga/na.<br>
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Hi Sergey,<br>
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Not in word-initial position, but in Galo 1p and 2p plural pronouns shift irregularly *?o-lu / *no-lu > ?unu / nunu. It seems to be a case of harmonisation with the initial nasal, as 3p *bu-lu is unaffected. Not sure if that?s at all relevant to what you?re looking for.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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Dr. Mark W. Post | Senior Lecturer (Linguistics<<a href="https://www.sydney.edu.au/arts/about/our-people/academic-staff/mark-post.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.sydney.edu.au/arts/about/our-people/academic-staff/mark-post.html</a>>)<br>
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Subject: [Lingtyp] L > N<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
Are you aware of a shift l- > n- affecting the onsets of grammatical morphemes, specifically in word-initial position?<br>
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Thank you very much!<br>
<br>
Sergey<br>
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