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<p>In my variety of oral French, I believe that 'c'teu' [st<span>œ]</span>, a modification of 'cette', has negative connotations. I'm not sure about the 'out of the norm' trait though - I think it's just derogatory. </p>
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used with a masculine noun, given the right context (e.g. putain c'teu temps de merde). I have no idea whether this has been studied, but I'd be curious to know. </span></p>
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<b>À :</b> Adam James Ross Tallman<br>
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<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Demonstratives to mean deviation from social norm</font>
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<span>Hi Adam,<span></span></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU">In Tiang (Oceanic, Papua New Guinea), the proximal visible demonstrative
<i>(o)ro</i> has negative overtones. In its emotional function, it indicates surprise or anger of the speaker towards the referent marked with
<i>(o)ro</i> (Holz 2023: 197–200). This can include situations in which someone violates socially expected behaviours.<span></span></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU">Holz, Christoph. 2023. Discourse functions of ‘visible’ and ‘nonvisible’ demonstratives in Tiang (New Ireland) and in a cross-linguistic perspective. In Alexandra Y. Aikhenvald, Robert L. Bradshaw, Luca Ciucci & Pema Wangdi (eds.),
<i>Celebrating indigenous voice: Legends and narratives in languages of the tropics and beyond</i>, 181–217. Berlin: De Gruyter Mouton.<span></span></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU">Best wishes<span></span></span></p>
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<b><span>Christoph Holz</span></b><span><span></span></span></p>
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In Chacobo there seems to be a demonstrative that means "do something) that deviates from socially normal expectations". This is a pretty preliminary description, so I'm open to other ideas and reconceptualizations. I call it 'more distal', as an adnominal
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At base the morpheme seems to mean "out of vision", but not always.</div>
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I was wondering whether anyone had written about something similar in another language? Let me know.</div>
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