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    <p>Dear Ian,<br>
      Sure, so I decided to start with Lingtyp, as it has a smaller but
      more advanced audience, and then send it to LinguistList.</p>
    <p>And by the way I don't know about that initiative several years
      ago. Where was it?<br>
      Yours,<br>
      Yuri</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06.09.2026 10:09, JOO Ian via
      Lingtyp wrote:<br>
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        Dear Yuri,</div>
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        This is a good initiative (there was a similar one several years
        ago if I remember correctly?) but maybe it’s closer to a list of
        <b>linguistic typologists</b>’ names, as there are literally
        thousands of linguists in the world, which typologists are only
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            <b>보낸 사람: </b>Lingtyp
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org"><lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org></a>이(가) 다음 사람
            대신 보냄: Martin Haspelmath via Lingtyp
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            <b>날짜: </b>일요일, 2026년 9월 6일 09:06<br>
            <b>받는 사람: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>
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            <b>주제: </b>Re: [Lingtyp] IPA for linguists' names<br>
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          <p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">I
            always hoped that someone would take the initiative to do
            something like this, after Maria Koptjevskaja-Tamm started
            requiring IPA for authors' names for "Linguistic Typology". </p>
          <p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">There's
            a lot that could be said about pronunciation norms, or the
            potential primacy of written (or perhaps even signed?)
            versions of names – but it's a fact that we often pronounce
            names, and that we have expectations about pronunciations. </p>
          <p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">I
            think that by making pronounciations public, we make our
            field more inclusive: People who haven't attended many
            conferences (and haven't heard names pronounced often) will
            have a way of quickly getting relevant information, and
            people whose names may present pronunciation difficulties
            will feel more included if their names are pronounced
            correctly (or pronounced at all, rather than avoided).</p>
          <p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Maybe
            someone would like to do something similar for language
            names? I feel that the invisibility of small languages is
            exacerbated if we don't know how to pronounce their names (I
            wrote about this quite a while ago: <a
              href="https://dlc.hypotheses.org/993"
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              https://dlc.hypotheses.org/993</a>).</p>
          <p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Martin</p>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06.09.26 07:25, Yuri Koryakov
            via Lingtyp wrote:</div>
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            <p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Dear
              Jocelyn, <br>
              thank you for your detailed letter. Below are the points.</p>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05.09.2026 23:25, Jocelyn
              Aznar via Lingtyp wrote:</div>
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              <div
                class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Dear
                all,<br>
                <br>
                I think the initiative is interesting but, here are some
                comments and reservations:<br>
                <br>
                - Having a list like this without the agreement of the
                people concerned is not the nicest move, especially on
                Google doc. Yes, some of those information are public,
                but some of the people in the list could have some
                reservations/concerns about the purpose of the document
                or might not even adhere to its purpose.</div>
            </blockquote>
            <div
              class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">On
              the one hand, all information not added by people
              themselves is taken from public online sources; people add
              further information voluntarily. On the other hand, this
              table does not contain any sensitive personal information
              – no emails, place of residence, place of work, position,
              etc.</div>
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              <div
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                There isn't only one valid pronunciation of my name.</div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">The IPA column allows you to specify
              multiple pronunciation variants, both equivalent and
              language-specific.</p>
            <blockquote>
              <div
                class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing"> <br>
                - I'm ok with people having difficulties pronouncing my
                name (at the end of the day, no one can master the
                pronunciation of the many phonologies we work with in
                our profession).<br>
                - Pushing people to pronounce your name following your
                expectations can cause situations in which they feel
                really ill at ease because they cannot pronounce your
                name.</div>
            </blockquote>
            <div
              class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Well,
              we don't force people to pronounce the names exactly this
              way, but we do give them a reference point. For example,
              when I just see the name Jocelyn, I don't even know what
              the first sound might be – [ʤ / ʒ / x / j] or something
              else.</div>
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              <div
                class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">-
                I'm also ok with people adapting my name if it is too
                hard to pronounce, that's usually what happens in
                practice.</div>
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              <div
                class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">-
                From a more technical angle,it would make more sense if
                the IPA transcription follows the same order of the
                first name + other name.</div>
            </blockquote>
            <div
              class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Okay,
              maybe. But this way one can show the order in which a
              person prefers to pronounce their name. (By the way, the
              most common order in this column is: first name + other
              name.)</div>
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              <div
                class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing"><br>
                Except the first point, all of my reservations are, I
                think, addressable with some more columns to the
                spreadsheet.<br>
                <br>
                That being written, I also understand that when you come
                from an oppressed background, like systematic oppression
                of your culture or identity by the State or the people
                around you, having your named acknowledged properly is
                an important topic. But the points I raised are not in
                contradiction with this issue in the end, just nuances.<br>
                <br>
                Best,<br>
                aka Jocelyn, Joce, Jos, Jo, Jojo, George, Josiu,
                Joselinas,</div>
            </blockquote>
            <div
              class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Yours,<br>
              Yuri</div>
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              <div
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                Le 05/09/2026 à 19:35, Hartmut Haberland via Lingtyp a
                écrit :</div>
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                <div
class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">This is a great
                  initiative. Some of my publications have been
                  translated into Japanese, and I have given lectures in
                  Japan where my name was given on posters and websites
                  in /katakana/, with a number of variations, in part
                  based on spelling rather than pronunciation. I would
                  go for ハートムート・ハーバーランド, since it is closest to the way
                  I pronounce my name (Northern German, grown up in
                  Hanover) and not least because ハーバーランドis also the name
                  of a shopping mall in Kobe (Harborland, of course) 😊.
                  (ハートムット・ハバーランドis OK, too, of course, and one could
                  indeed discuss if ムットis not more adequate by focussing
                  on the unstressed vowel indeed being short while its
                  tenseness is better expressed by ムート; ハーバーランドis
                  definitely the better solution.)<br>
                  <br>
                  *Hartmut Haberland*<br>
                  <br>
                  [haɐ̯tmu:t hɑ:bεɐ̯lant]<br>
                  Professor (mso) emeritus<br>
                  <br>
                  KORAL_GRAA_300KORAL_GRAA_300<br>
                  *Roskilde Universitet*<br>
                  Institut for Kommunikation og Humanistisk Videnskab<br>
                  <br>
                  Universitetsvej 1<br>
                  DK-4000 Roskilde<br>
                  Telefon: +45 46742841<br>
                  <br>
                  *Fra:*Lingtyp <a
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                  *På vegne af *Yuri Koryakov via Lingtyp<br>
                  *Sendt:* 5. september 2026 17:58<br>
                  *Til:* <a
                    href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org"
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                    lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>
                  *Emne:* [Lingtyp] IPA for linguists' names<br>
                  <br>
                  Dear colleagues,<br>
                  <br>
                  Many of us have encountered a situation where we need
                  to pronounce the name of a linguist, but we don’t know
                  how. Or we need to write down someone’s name in
                  another script (Cyrillic, Arabic, Japanese, Chinese,
                  etc.), and this again requires correct pronunciation.<br>
                  <br>
                  As a result, you have to look for pronunciation
                  instructions on personal webpages, listen to
                  recordings on YouTube, ask friends, and so on, but it
                  is much more convenient when such information is
                  collected in one place.<br>
                  <br>
                  To do this, I created the editable list of names and
                  their transcriptions here: <a
                    href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/"
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data-outlook-id="78adccf3-d208-45b5-9768-0918f52136ac"
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                    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/</a>
                  d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?gid=0#gid=0
                  <a
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?gid=0#gid=0"
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                    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
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                  <br>
                  The *General Guide* “How to add your name to the list”
                  is available in the Info tab (
                  <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
data-outlook-id="d358004d-37e1-4543-853b-0fce176abe76"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/</a>
                  d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?
                  gid=863783271#gid=863783271
                  <a
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?gid=863783271#gid=863783271"
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data-outlook-id="9c557b92-a357-4ff9-a94e-3877ec35157b"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
                    d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?
                    gid=863783271#gid=863783271></a>  ).<br>
                  <br>
                  Additional difficulties that this project allows to
                  solve:<br>
                  <br>
                  a) distinguishing the surname from other names
                  (necessary for the correct compilation of
                  bibliographies and especially relevant for languages
                  with a different order of components in the name or
                  for names consisting of more than two words)<br>
                  <br>
                  b) indicating gender pronouns – he / she / they –
                  useful in many languages when you need to, for
                  example, refer to the author.<br>
                  <br>
                  If you are in doubt whether you should indicate
                  yourself, you can use the following criterion as a
                  working one: if you have published at least one
                  article or had one presentation at a conference, you
                  can safely provide your name. Also if people pronounce
                  your name differently from how you’d like it to be
                  pronounced, or if you’ve ever been asked how to
                  pronounce your name, that’s a hint that you should
                  provide that information.<br>
                  <br>
                  If you can’t/don’t want to add your data to the sheet
                  yourself, you can send it to me by email . Also write
                  if you have any questions/comments/ suggestions etc.<br>
                  <br>
                  Yours,<br>
                  Yuri Koryakov</div>
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          <pre><div class="moz-signature">-- 
Martin Haspelmath
Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology
Deutscher Platz 6
D-04103 Leipzig
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