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<p>Dear Ian,<br>
Sure, so I decided to start with Lingtyp, as it has a smaller but
more advanced audience, and then send it to LinguistList.</p>
<p>And by the way I don't know about that initiative several years
ago. Where was it?<br>
Yours,<br>
Yuri</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06.09.2026 10:09, JOO Ian via
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This is a good initiative (there was a similar one several years
ago if I remember correctly?) but maybe it’s closer to a list of
<b>linguistic typologists</b>’ names, as there are literally
thousands of linguists in the world, which typologists are only
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대신 보냄: Martin Haspelmath via Lingtyp
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<b>주제: </b>Re: [Lingtyp] IPA for linguists' names<br>
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<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">I
always hoped that someone would take the initiative to do
something like this, after Maria Koptjevskaja-Tamm started
requiring IPA for authors' names for "Linguistic Typology". </p>
<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">There's
a lot that could be said about pronunciation norms, or the
potential primacy of written (or perhaps even signed?)
versions of names – but it's a fact that we often pronounce
names, and that we have expectations about pronunciations. </p>
<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">I
think that by making pronounciations public, we make our
field more inclusive: People who haven't attended many
conferences (and haven't heard names pronounced often) will
have a way of quickly getting relevant information, and
people whose names may present pronunciation difficulties
will feel more included if their names are pronounced
correctly (or pronounced at all, rather than avoided).</p>
<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Maybe
someone would like to do something similar for language
names? I feel that the invisibility of small languages is
exacerbated if we don't know how to pronounce their names (I
wrote about this quite a while ago: <a
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<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Martin</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06.09.26 07:25, Yuri Koryakov
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<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Dear
Jocelyn, <br>
thank you for your detailed letter. Below are the points.</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05.09.2026 23:25, Jocelyn
Aznar via Lingtyp wrote:</div>
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all,<br>
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I think the initiative is interesting but, here are some
comments and reservations:<br>
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- Having a list like this without the agreement of the
people concerned is not the nicest move, especially on
Google doc. Yes, some of those information are public,
but some of the people in the list could have some
reservations/concerns about the purpose of the document
or might not even adhere to its purpose.</div>
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the one hand, all information not added by people
themselves is taken from public online sources; people add
further information voluntarily. On the other hand, this
table does not contain any sensitive personal information
– no emails, place of residence, place of work, position,
etc.</div>
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There isn't only one valid pronunciation of my name.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The IPA column allows you to specify
multiple pronunciation variants, both equivalent and
language-specific.</p>
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- I'm ok with people having difficulties pronouncing my
name (at the end of the day, no one can master the
pronunciation of the many phonologies we work with in
our profession).<br>
- Pushing people to pronounce your name following your
expectations can cause situations in which they feel
really ill at ease because they cannot pronounce your
name.</div>
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<div
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we don't force people to pronounce the names exactly this
way, but we do give them a reference point. For example,
when I just see the name Jocelyn, I don't even know what
the first sound might be – [ʤ / ʒ / x / j] or something
else.</div>
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I'm also ok with people adapting my name if it is too
hard to pronounce, that's usually what happens in
practice.</div>
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From a more technical angle,it would make more sense if
the IPA transcription follows the same order of the
first name + other name.</div>
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maybe. But this way one can show the order in which a
person prefers to pronounce their name. (By the way, the
most common order in this column is: first name + other
name.)</div>
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Except the first point, all of my reservations are, I
think, addressable with some more columns to the
spreadsheet.<br>
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That being written, I also understand that when you come
from an oppressed background, like systematic oppression
of your culture or identity by the State or the people
around you, having your named acknowledged properly is
an important topic. But the points I raised are not in
contradiction with this issue in the end, just nuances.<br>
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Best,<br>
aka Jocelyn, Joce, Jos, Jo, Jojo, George, Josiu,
Joselinas,</div>
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<div
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Yuri</div>
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Le 05/09/2026 à 19:35, Hartmut Haberland via Lingtyp a
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<div
class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">This is a great
initiative. Some of my publications have been
translated into Japanese, and I have given lectures in
Japan where my name was given on posters and websites
in /katakana/, with a number of variations, in part
based on spelling rather than pronunciation. I would
go for ハートムート・ハーバーランド, since it is closest to the way
I pronounce my name (Northern German, grown up in
Hanover) and not least because ハーバーランドis also the name
of a shopping mall in Kobe (Harborland, of course) 😊.
(ハートムット・ハバーランドis OK, too, of course, and one could
indeed discuss if ムットis not more adequate by focussing
on the unstressed vowel indeed being short while its
tenseness is better expressed by ムート; ハーバーランドis
definitely the better solution.)<br>
<br>
*Hartmut Haberland*<br>
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[haɐ̯tmu:t hɑ:bεɐ̯lant]<br>
Professor (mso) emeritus<br>
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KORAL_GRAA_300KORAL_GRAA_300<br>
*Roskilde Universitet*<br>
Institut for Kommunikation og Humanistisk Videnskab<br>
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Universitetsvej 1<br>
DK-4000 Roskilde<br>
Telefon: +45 46742841<br>
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*På vegne af *Yuri Koryakov via Lingtyp<br>
*Sendt:* 5. september 2026 17:58<br>
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*Emne:* [Lingtyp] IPA for linguists' names<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
<br>
Many of us have encountered a situation where we need
to pronounce the name of a linguist, but we don’t know
how. Or we need to write down someone’s name in
another script (Cyrillic, Arabic, Japanese, Chinese,
etc.), and this again requires correct pronunciation.<br>
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As a result, you have to look for pronunciation
instructions on personal webpages, listen to
recordings on YouTube, ask friends, and so on, but it
is much more convenient when such information is
collected in one place.<br>
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To do this, I created the editable list of names and
their transcriptions here: <a
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/"
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/</a>
d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?gid=0#gid=0
<a
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?gid=0#gid=0"
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<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?gid=0#gid=0></a><br>
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The *General Guide* “How to add your name to the list”
is available in the Info tab (
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/"
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data-outlook-id="d358004d-37e1-4543-853b-0fce176abe76"
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/</a>
d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?
gid=863783271#gid=863783271
<a
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?gid=863783271#gid=863783271"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
data-outlook-id="9c557b92-a357-4ff9-a94e-3877ec35157b"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
d/1zFKZp2e6dvfw_JQqX7904xY1GnqOwaopD2gnb3ytilA/edit?
gid=863783271#gid=863783271></a> ).<br>
<br>
Additional difficulties that this project allows to
solve:<br>
<br>
a) distinguishing the surname from other names
(necessary for the correct compilation of
bibliographies and especially relevant for languages
with a different order of components in the name or
for names consisting of more than two words)<br>
<br>
b) indicating gender pronouns – he / she / they –
useful in many languages when you need to, for
example, refer to the author.<br>
<br>
If you are in doubt whether you should indicate
yourself, you can use the following criterion as a
working one: if you have published at least one
article or had one presentation at a conference, you
can safely provide your name. Also if people pronounce
your name differently from how you’d like it to be
pronounced, or if you’ve ever been asked how to
pronounce your name, that’s a hint that you should
provide that information.<br>
<br>
If you can’t/don’t want to add your data to the sheet
yourself, you can send it to me by email . Also write
if you have any questions/comments/ suggestions etc.<br>
<br>
Yours,<br>
Yuri Koryakov</div>
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