6.1198, Qs: Anaphora, Classifiers, Finnish

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LINGUIST List:  Vol-6-1198. Fri Sep 1 1995. ISSN: 1068-4875. Lines:  131

Subject: 6.1198, Qs: Anaphora, Classifiers, Finnish

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Date:  Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:08:56 EDT
From:  HAMILTN at UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (Bob Hamilton)
Subject:  Scandinavian anaphora

2)
Date:  Don, 31 Aug 95 10:46:59 MES
From:  WASNER at DMSWWU1A.uni-muenster.de (Ulli Wa_ner)
Subject: Query: Chinese numeral classifiers

3)
Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:41:21 +0200
From:  s945025 at ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp (Kawagashira Nobuyuki)
Subject:  Question: Is Finnish a mora language?

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1)
Date:  Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:08:56 EDT
From:  HAMILTN at UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (Bob Hamilton)
Subject: Scandinavian anaphora

I have questions about the Norwegian anaphor _seg selv_
and questions about Icelandic _hann sjalfur_ and _sjalfur
sig_.

Regarding _seg selv_, can it be locally bound by an object
NP that is logocentric (i.e., where the object NP has the
relevant discourse properties to logophorically bind--e.g.,
Sells 1987).  I have seen the following judgment in Hellan
1991, but the object here is not logocentric:

*Vi fortalte Jon om seg selv
 (where Jon = seg selv)

Would the above still be ungrammatical if Jon were logocentric
(e.g., if the statement was instead something like "We heard
from Jon about selfself", where Jon = selfself)?

Concerning Icelandic, according to Hyams and Sigurjonsdottir
1990, _sjalfan_ in the anaphor _sjalfan sig_ is inflected for
gender and number.  Is this true of _sjalfur_ in _hann sjalfur_
as well?  (I don't know Icelandic, but I assume that "sjalfan"
is simply an inflected variation of "sjalfur" -- my question then
is whether this element in the complex "hann sjalfur" ever
varies its inflection for gender/number or any other feature
in the same way as it does in "sjalfan/sjalfa/sjalfra sig")

Please reply directly to me, and I will summarize for the list if
there is sufficient interest.  Thanks so much,

Bob Hamilton, University of South Carolina
hamilton at scarolina.edu
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Date:  Don, 31 Aug 95 10:46:59 MES
From:  WASNER at DMSWWU1A.uni-muenster.de (Ulli Wa_ner)
Subject: Query: Chinese numeral classifiers

Does anybody out there know of anyone who is currently working on Chinese
numeral classifiers? I would be greatful for any information on this topic.
Thank you very much in advance

Ulli Wassner
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3)
Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:41:21 +0200
From:  s945025 at ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp (Kawagashira Nobuyuki)
Subject:  Question: Is Finnish a mora language?

     Dear Readers,
     I am a graduate student in Japan. Several years ago I visited Finland.
I felt that Speaking of Finnish language is difficult for European students.
But for me, Japanese, it's easy to pronounce Finnish. I had an impression of
phonological similarity between Finnish and Japanese. My Question is that:
'Is Finnish a mora (morenzaehlende) language?'
     For example: Japanese is a mora language as you know.
In Japanese a long vowel is treated as two moras.
 1.  gakkoo      ga-k-ko-o      'school'
 2.  hattatsu    ha-t-ta-tsu    'development'
 3.  sen'en      se-n-e-n       '1000 yen'
 4.  sennen      se-n-ne-n      '1000 years'
 5.  seeen       se-e-e-n       'encouragement'
 6.  seenen      se-e-ne-n      'adolescent'
     I think Finnish language is a mora language. I will show mora separation
examples in Finnish as follows:
 7.  viikko      vi-i-k-ko      'week'
 8.  Suomessa    su-o-me-s-sa   'in Finland'
 9.  kaupunki    ka-u-pu-n-ki   'town'
10.  kirje       ki-r-je        'letter'
11.  sillan      si-l-la-n      'of bridge'
12.  silta       si-l-ta *      'bridge'
13.  kahvi       ka-h-vi *      'coffee'
14.  juoksen     ju-o-k-se-n *  'I run'
15.  opisto      o-pi-s-to *    'college'
16.  matka       ma-t-ka *      'trip'
17.  pankki      pa-n-k-ki *    'bank'
18.  pirtti      pi-r-t-ti *    'living room'
19.  silkki      si-l-k-ki *    'silk'
But I have many questionable examples which is marked * above. Is Finnish
a mora language? If so, how do we separate into moras.
Thank you.

                                                  Nobuyuki Kawagashira
                            General Linguistics, University of Tsukuba
                                    mail : s945025 at ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp
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