Cockney Eng.,French Syntax,Spanish Phon.,Reflexives

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LINGUIST List:  Vol-6-1323. Thu Sep 28 1995. ISSN: 1068-4875. Lines:  167
 
Subject: 6.1323, Qs: Cockney Eng,French Syntax,Spanish Phon,Reflexives
 
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Date:  Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:26:33 +0200
From:  shimizu at let.kumamoto-u.ac.jp
Subject:  Cockney English and London English
 
2)
Date:  26 Sep 1995 14:55:00
From:  P.A.Rowlett at mod-lang.salford.ac.uk
Subject:  French *personne* and *rien*
 
3)
Date:  Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:03:34 PDT
From:  liliana at csulb.edu (Liliana Sanchez)
Subject:  Query Spanish Phonology
 
4)
Date:  Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:38:59 +0700
From:  t-markdr at microsoft.com (Mark Dras)
Subject:  Creeping Reflexives
 
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Date:  Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:26:33 +0200
From:  shimizu at let.kumamoto-u.ac.jp
Subject:  Cockney English and London English
 
     Dear Linguists!
 
     I am posting this for one of my final year students, who has been
     encouraged to try her luck, after having heard from her friend Ono
     Aine that she had really got replies to her query about Linguistic
     Human Rights.
 
     Please send replies to me.
 
     K. Shimizu: shimizu at let.kumamoto-u.ac.jp
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     September 27
 
     Hello, I am a linguistics student in Kumamoto university.
     I am looking for information about Cockney English and London English.
     Could you let me know about the differences between them in detail?
     In some books they are used in the same meaning,however in some books
     they are not. I would like to know about their definition.
     Thank you.
 
     Mariko Tsugawa
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Date:  26 Sep 1995 14:55:00
From:  P.A.Rowlett at mod-lang.salford.ac.uk
Subject:  French *personne* and *rien*
 
It is well-known that the distribution of *personne* differs from that of
*rien* in most varieties of contemporary French.  Generally speaking, while
*personne* is restricted to its thematic A-position, *rien* is able to float
leftwards in a number of constructions, e.g.:
 
(1)  Je n'   ai   rien   vu    vs.  Je n'   ai   vu   personne
     I  *ne* have *rien* seen       I  *ne* have seen *personne*
 
(2)  ...de ne   rien   voir    vs.  ...de ne   voir personne
        of *ne* *rien* see             of *ne* see  *personne*
 
I am aware of no published attempt to explain the different behaviours of
these two items and would be grateful to any subscribers who do know of work
on this topic if they would let me have details.  I will inform the list of the
results of this request.
 
Many thanks,
Paul Rowlett
Department of Modern Languages
University of Salford
Salford, M5 4WT
England
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3)
Date:  Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:03:34 PDT
From:  liliana at csulb.edu (Liliana Sanchez)
Subject:  Query Spanish Phonology
 
 
 
	I am interested in references of textbooks for undergraduate courses on
Spanish Phonology or Romance Languages Phonology. I will be very thankful for
any help on this matter.
 
Liliana Sanchez
 
e-mail address: liliana at csulb.edu
 
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Date:  Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:38:59 +0700
From:  t-markdr at microsoft.com (Mark Dras)
Subject:  Creeping Reflexives
 
 
Dear Linguists,
 
My partner, who works at a bank, brought to my attention
this phenomenon, which I've been noticing more often
since then: the increasing use of the reflexive in places where
it wouldn't seem to be traditional usage.
 
It seems to occur most frequently with an indirect (or direct)
object in the second person:
 
"I shall forward yourself the report later."
 
or
 
"I shall forward the report to yourself later."
 
But it seems to be cropping up in more and more cases:
 
"You can see Paul and myself at 3pm."
"Give it to myself at the meeting later."
"Paul and myself will be working on this project."
 
My partner was asked to review a report containing something
like the last of these sentences, changed the `and myself' to `and I',
and was told by several people that he was wrong, that it
should be ` and myself'.
 
So, what I was wondering was:
 
Has anyone else noticed this takeover by reflexives,
or is it confined to the Australian banking and computer industries?
 
Is anyone aware of an explanation for it?
 
If there's enough interest (> 3 people), I'll post a summary,
along with some observations.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Mark Dras
 
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