7.481, Qs: Ordinal numerals, Philippines, Sapir-Whorf, Thou and you

Fri Mar 29 16:39:41 UTC 1996

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Subject: 7.481, Qs: Ordinal numerals, Philippines, Sapir-Whorf, Thou and you

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1)
Date:  Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:37:54 EDT
From:  lveselin at emunix.emich.edu (Ljuba Veselinova)
Subject:  ordinal numerals

2)
Date:  Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:14:02 +1100
From:  h9405049 at student.anu.edu.au (Baden Hughes)
Subject:  Q:Lg Planning in Philippines

3)
Date:  Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:55:27 GMT
From:  D.W.Salt at derby.ac.uk (Sam Salt)
Subject:  Sapir-Whorf/Consciousness

4)
Date:  Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:53:56 +0100
From:  firth at hum.auc.dk (Alan Firth)
Subject:  thou and you

5)
Date:  Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:30:04 +0100
From:  kuehnle at str.daimler-benz.com ("KUEHNLE")
Subject:  Reading sugggestion after Whorf's original

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Date:  Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:37:54 EDT
From:  lveselin at emunix.emich.edu (Ljuba Veselinova)
Subject:  ordinal numerals

Hi,

could anyone provide me with information on ordinal numerals (or the
category that replaces them) in

Quechua (any dialect would do)
Guarani
Camsa (or any language that is closely related to it)

I would be grateful for any hints on good grammars or any kind of
studies done on those languages. My library research has been very
unsuccessful so far.

I will summarize if there is interest.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,
Ljuba
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2)
Date:  Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:14:02 +1100
From:  h9405049 at student.anu.edu.au (Baden Hughes)
Subject:  Q:Lg Planning in Philippines

Hi,

I'm passing on a Q: from a friend not on LINGUIST. If anyone has
info,can you send replies to :

e9404703 at student.anu.edu.au (Daniel Evers)

Does anyone have info on the Philippines for :
>1. The official languages,
>a. statutory
>b. working
>c. symbolic
>
>2. The provincial languages
>(what, where, what functions and how do they relate to the official
>languages)
>3. Language movements that seek to promote a language that does not have
>offical status, aims of the movement and the costituency it represents
>within the state.

4. any bibliographic or WWW info

Thanks
Baden Hughes
B.Hughes at student.anu.edu.au

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3)
Date:  Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:55:27 GMT
From:  D.W.Salt at derby.ac.uk (Sam Salt)
Subject:  Sapir-Whorf/Consciousness

Is there anyone on the list who is very familiar with the Sapir-Whorf
hypothesis and its criticisms who would be willing to correspond with
me?

I am preparing a paper (for a forum on consciousness) which argues
that language is not a pre-requisite for consciousness. However, I am
not completely confident of my grasp of the pros and cons of
Sapir-Worf and would like to bounce some ideas off other people.

Also if anyone on the list has a view as to whether language is
necessary for consciousness in humans(I don't want to repeat the
speciesism argument) I will be interested to hear and produce a
summary.

Thanks

Sam Salt
School of Maths & Computing
University of Derby

d.w.salt at derby.ac.uk
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4)
Date:  Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:53:56 +0100
From:  firth at hum.auc.dk (Alan Firth)
Subject:  thou and you

Could anyone throw light on what seems to be a rather murky area - the
reasons for the loss of 'thou/thee' from (standard) spoken English. I
attended a talk recently and heard a linguist forward the notion that
it was caused largely by 17th Century Quakers in the United States,
whose egalitarian ways had impacted their speech. The claim was that
this development spread throughout the English-speaking areas of the
world. I am not convinced of this. Any help (inc. references) would be
much appreciated.  Alan Firth, Aalborg University, Denmark

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5)
Date:  Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:30:04 +0100
From:  kuehnle at str.daimler-benz.com ("KUEHNLE")
Subject:  Reading sugggestion after Whorf's original

Dear Linguists,

I wonder what books you can recommend beyond Whorf's "Language,
thought and reality" for someone who is interested in the Sapir-Whorf
hypothesis.  I will post a summary to the list, should I receive many
responses.

Thanks in advance -

Andreas Kuehnle
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