7.1415, Qs: South-East-Asian lgs, "thou", Inclusive/exclusive pronouns

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LINGUIST List:  Vol-7-1415. Thu Oct 10 1996. ISSN: 1068-4875. Lines:  133
 
Subject: 7.1415, Qs: South-East-Asian lgs, "thou", Inclusive/exclusive pronouns
 
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Date:  Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:36:43 BST
From:  bartos at nytud.hu (bartos)
Subject:  South-East-Asian languages - query
 
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Date:  Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:35:40 BST
From:  iamario at usc.es (Mario Cal Varela)
Subject:  Qs: pronunciation of "thou"
 
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Date:  Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:57:49 CDT
From:  kearsy at mail.utexas.edu (Kearsy Cormier)
Subject:  Inclusive vs. exclusive pronouns
 
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Date:  Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:36:43 BST
From:  bartos at nytud.hu (bartos)
Subject:  South-East-Asian languages - query
 
Dear Listers,
 
I need some info on a handful of South-East-Asian lang's, for
inclusion in an encyclopedia of languages.
 
The data I need is:
 
-  the name(s) of the language as used by its speakers, with gloss if
it has any other meaning than the reference to the language itself
-  the name(s) of the people as they use it in refernce to themselves
-  standard literature reference on these languages, incl. reference
grammars, introductory descriptions, coursebooks, important books or
papers on the grammar/phonology/history of the language (provided
they are accessible for a relatively wide public), in English, German,
French, or Russian
 
The languages in question are:
 
Khmer
Mon
Palaungic
Karen
Burmese
 
Plus a side-issue: what is the current stand on the relatedness of
Vietnamese to the Mon-Khmer languages?
 
Please reply to me directly. Thank you, in advance.
 
Huba Bartos
Research Institute for Linguistics
Hungarian Academy of Sciences
(bartos at nytud.hu)
 
 
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Date:  Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:35:40 BST
From:  iamario at usc.es (Mario Cal Varela)
Subject:  Qs: pronunciation of "thou"
 
Dear fellow linguists,
 
In modern stage performances of 17th century drama, or whenever texts
from the Early Modern English period are read aloud, I understand that
the pronoun "thou" tends to be systematically pronounced with the
vowel of MOUTH. However, I have not found any reference in
descriptions of English at this stage to such a pronunciation. It is
rather given as /thu(:)/. If this is accurate, where does the /thau/
variant come from?
 
Mario Cal Varela
Departamento de Filolox=EDa Inglesa e Alemana, despacho 307
Facultade de Filolox=EDa
Universidade de Santiago de Compostela
c/ Burgo das Naci=F3ns s/n
Santiago 15705
ESPA=D1A
tlf (981) 563100 ext. 11858
fax (981) 574646
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Date:  Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:57:49 CDT
From:  kearsy at mail.utexas.edu (Kearsy Cormier)
Subject:  Inclusive vs. exclusive pronouns
 
 
Hello,
 
I'm looking for languages that grammatically distinguish between
inclusive and exclusive pronouns (i.e. "we" meaning "all of us but not
you" vs. "we" meaning "all of us including you").  English does not
distinguish between the two forms, but I am certain there must be
languages that do.  If you know of any, I would appreciate hearing
about them.  Any references you know of would also be helpful.  Thanks
in advance!!
 
-Kearsy
 
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Kearsy Cormier
kearsy at mail.utexas.edu
University of Texas at Austin
PhD student, Department of Linguistics
 
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