9.200, Qs: Past Tense, "photograph", "DO"
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Subject: 9.200, Qs: Past Tense, "photograph", "DO"
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:25:28 -0500
From: Vincent Jenkins <Distinction at compuserve.com>
Subject: Past tense in English
2)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:45:25 -0600
From: Graeme Forbes <forbes at mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
Subject: Syntax and semantics of "photograph"
3)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:14:08 +0300
From: "natashag" <natashag at tversu.ru>
Subject: DO in affirmative sentences
-------------------------------- Message 1 -------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:25:28 -0500
From: Vincent Jenkins <Distinction at compuserve.com>
Subject: Past tense in English
Dear Linguists
What _is_ the function of the English past tense? And is there not a better
name for it?
Sentences such as the following (which refer to the present and/or future):
1. John said that he was busy.
2. I wish I didn't smoke so much.
3. You could see the manager if you came back tomorrow.
4. It's time we went.
5. They had better hurry.
indicate that the so-called past tense in English marks something other
than, or in addition to, past time.
Indeed, the pair of sentences
6a. If I win the lottery I'll stop working
6b. If I won the lottery I'd stop working
suggests that the choice of tense depends on the speaker's assessment of
the future, not the past. "If I win..." sounds considerably more
optimistic than "If I won..." . The speaker of (6a) thinks he has a
chance, the speaker of (6b) doesn't.
I wouldn't like to say what the semantic difference is in this next pair.
Syntactically does <PAST> move to or from the NP?
7a. She was my wife.
7b. She is my ex-wife.
I should like to hear of any other terms which have been suggested for
'present tense' and 'past tense' and arguments for or against them. But I
feel that I should say at the outset that I do not have an open mind on the
subject. I think that the current terms mislead foreign learners of
English into wrongly equating tense and time.
As far as I know the only other names with any currency are 'first form'
and 'second form' which are used in the former Soviet Union.
Michael Lewis (1986), The English Verb, Language Teaching Publications
examined English tense and aspect in some detail and concluded that the
past tense denoted remoteness. He proposed the terms 'basic' and 'remote'
in place of 'present' and 'past', but has had few followers however.
Charles Hockett (1958), A Course in Modern Linguistics, NY, discussed a
similar concept in passing. He said that one of the design features of
human language was 'displacement' - the ability talk about events remote in
space and time from the speaker. But if there were a one-to-one
correlation between past tense and displacement/remoteness it would have
been spotted long ago. Unfortunately the implication works in only one
direction. Although past tense signifies remoteness, remoteness does not
require past tense. E.g If I say to you, "My mother's house has stone
walls", the house is remote geographically from both of us, I'm using my
memory to visualise it, you're using your imagination, but the tense is
present.
During a dialog the past tense signals to the listener that he/she must
look inwards not outwards to understand what is being said (Once upon a
time there were three bears...). But again this works only in one
direction: introspection does not require past tense. "I think therefore
I am," is well-formed.
One fundamental difference between 'past tense' and 'present tense' that I
see is in the realm of possible futures. The present tense is used in
reference to that which can be seen projecting into the future ("If I
win...", "The train leaves at 3.00"), while the past tense is used in
reference to that which is not a possible future ("If I won...", "The
train left at 12.00"). Naturally the whole of the past is
not-a-possible-future.
"Possible future" and impossible future" would be dreadful names for the
English tenses, but I find "present" and "past" increasingly inadequate.
Are there any other contenders? What do Arabs, Bantus, Cambodians ...
Zulus call the English tenses? I'll post a summary of responses.
Vincent Jenkins
Computational Linguist and
Teacher of English as a Foreign Language
Salisbury, UK
Distinction at compuserve.com
-------------------------------- Message 2 -------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:45:25 -0600
From: Graeme Forbes <forbes at mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
Subject: Syntax and semantics of "photograph"
Graeme Forbes
Celia Scott Weatherhead Distinguished Professor
Department of Philosophy
Tulane University
New Orleans, LA 70118-5698
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Syntax and semantics of "photograph"
Can anyone explain why (1) below is acceptable, but (2) is not?
(1) I saw John leave.
(2) I photographed John leave.
According to Higginbotham, the "unsupported clause" in (1) is an event
nominal. At LF (1) is something like "for some event e of John's leaving, I
saw e". So why can't we say (2), since the same style of LF makes good
sense?
-------------------------------- Message 3 -------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:14:08 +0300
From: "natashag" <natashag at tversu.ru>
Subject: DO in affirmative sentences
Hello, everybody!
I'd like to share with you the problem that is of special interest for me
now. It's the use of the auxiliary verb DO in affirmative sentences, things
like "Money DOES make the man" or "He owns - or DID own - a Rolls Royce". I
know that it is always stressed and emphasizes the meaning of the main
verb, but still it seems to me that it also gives the main verb some
additional meaning and therefore can be called a modal verb. What do you
think of it?
I have collected a great number of examples, but the meaning implied is not
always clear to me. I've already asked the experts at Dave's ESL Cafe to
help me and received a few answers. Their interpretations were different
and I'd like to invite all of you to join the discussion, of course if you
are interested in the problem.
Here are a few sentences or short extracts form different texts and I'd
like you to interprete the meaning of DO(you might have to reformulate
them). It would be nice if I got answers from native-speakers of English,
both linguists and non-linguists (because linguists are often influenced by
different linguistic theories).
1. DO use some of the techniques of fiction writing discussed in this
chapter...
2. "Don't cry any more. DO stop crying. It's so exhausting. Please!"
The other DID stop just in time for Rosemary to get up before the tea
came.
3. "Did you drive past this number on Endicott on an average of once an
hour?"
"Now as to that it's difficult to say. Sometimes we'd come down
Endicott Way, sometimes one of the the other streets. We were patrolling
the district."
"But you DID drive along Endicott way several times between 5 and 9
o'clock?"
4. It was an overnight success, and within two years a stage musical of the
book had been produced, with Baum himself writing the lyrycs, so fulfilling
an earlier ambition to be a playwright. However, he was forever identified
with Oz with the public an as result he wrote a further 13 volumes about
this mystical land. He DID write other children's stories under the
pseudonym Edith Van Dyne, eventually he WROTE about 60 books in all. (I've
got 3 questions about #4: Is DID really stressed in this sentence? Is there
any opposition between DID WRITE and WROTE? Can DID WRITE mean a repeted
action in the past?)
5. She really DOES love him. (What is this DOES for if there is REALLY?)
6. The marital life cycle is booby-trapped with a whole series of similar
events: a promotion for a demanding job , a serious illness, etc. Each of
these events is loaded with the potential for change. They can and DO
trigger clashes but a couple may recognize the cause.
7. He owns - or DID own - a Rolls Royce.
And one more question: Is it possible in modern English to use DO without
any stress in sentences of this kind?
It would be nice if you you could send me you own examples to illustrate
the meanings of DO that cannot be found in my sentences.
I am looking forward to reading your answers.
Thank you
Natalia G. Gavrilenko
natashag at tversu.ru
Tver, Russia
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