11.2434, Qs: "spitten image", Aberesh Language in Italy

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Subject: 11.2434, Qs: "spitten image", Aberesh Language in Italy

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Date:  Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:57:08 +0800
From:  Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
Subject:  The cross-linguistic "spitten image"

2)
Date:  Thu, 09 Nov 2000 12:21:54 -0500
From:  "Vattimo, Ronald J" <ronald.j.vattimo at lmco.com>
Subject:  Aberesh vs Albanian

-------------------------------- Message 1 -------------------------------

Date:  Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:57:08 +0800
From:  Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
Subject:  The cross-linguistic "spitten image"

Dear listees,

I am trying to compile an inventory of equivalents of the French
expression "C'est X tout crachE", corresponding to the English
expression variously rendered as the "spittin' image", "spitting
image", "spit and image", or "spit an' image".  (Some of you will
recall that I argued several years ago in this forum for an analysis
along the lines of "spitten image", with the dialectal past
participle functioning as pre-nominal adjective, and I'm hoping to
invoke these cross-linguistic correspondences to support this view.)
So far, I have obtained (from various sources):

(French)   C'est (le portrait de) son p`ere tout crachE.
(German) Er sieht seinem Vater aenlich wie gepuckt.
(Dutch)    Hij is zihn vader gespogen.
(Greek)    O Janis ine ftystos o pateras tou.

- all involving a reference to someone being literally the "spitten
image" of his father.  What I'm wondering is how many more such
counterparts there are out there, and especially whether there are
any such expressions in NON-Indo-European languages.  Please respond
directly to me and I'll summarize any interesting results.

Larry Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>


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Date:  Thu, 09 Nov 2000 12:21:54 -0500
From:  "Vattimo, Ronald J" <ronald.j.vattimo at lmco.com>
Subject:  Aberesh vs Albanian

I traveled to Spezzano Albanese in Calabria, Italy.last year.  The
Aberesh language is spoken and street signs are in Italian and
Aberesh.  Has there been any study to determine the evolution of
Albanian in Albania versus Alberesh in an isolated villiage like
Spezzano over the last 500 years?

Ron Vattimo, Levittown, PA

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