12.2193, Qs: Turk/Rus Learners of Ger/2 readings "if not..."

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Subject: 12.2193, Qs: Turk/Rus Learners of Ger/2 readings "if not..."

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1)
Date:  Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:57:27 +0200
From:  Uwe Naumann <linguat at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Subject:  Turkish/Russian learners of German

2)
Date:  Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:05:32 +0900
From:  Atsushi Fukada <afukada at purdue.edu>
Subject:  two readings of ", if not..."

-------------------------------- Message 1 -------------------------------

Date:  Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:57:27 +0200
From:  Uwe Naumann <linguat at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Subject:  Turkish/Russian learners of German

Dear linguists,

Does anyone have or know somebody who has longitudinal data from
turkish or russian learners of German. I'm working in a research
project on grammaticalization in SLA; therefore the data should
contain early stages of learning (prebasic or basic
variety). Preferably the data should be in a computer written form. I
will post a summary of answers.  Thanks in advance.  Uwe Naumann

Uwe Naumann
Freie Universität Berlin
FB Philosophie und Geisteswissenschaften
Institut für Germanistik
Boltzmannstr. 3
14195 Berlin
0049/(0)30/83854151
E-mail: linguat at zedat.fu-berlin.de


-------------------------------- Message 2 -------------------------------

Date:  Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:05:32 +0900
From:  Atsushi Fukada <afukada at purdue.edu>
Subject:  two readings of ", if not..."


The ", if not..." clause as in (1) and (2) seems to have two readings:
concessive and extensive.

(1) She was happy, if not ecstatic.

    [Typically read as concessive.  'Although she may not have
     been ecstatic, she was at least happy.']

(2) She is as good a teacher as he is, if not better.

    [Typically read as extensive.  'She is as good and she may
     even be better than he.']

The question is exactly how these readings emerge.  Has anyone worked on
this?  Any reference or information on it will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Atsushi Fukada
Associate Professor of Japanese and Linguistics
Purdue University


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