13.997, Qs: Spanish Particle Verbs, Adverb Combinations

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Subject: 13.997, Qs: Spanish Particle Verbs, Adverb Combinations

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1)
Date:  Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:13:15 EDT
From:  Kurtgjevnoe at aol.com
Subject:  Spanish particle verbs

2)
Date:  Tue,  9 Apr 2002 15:53:00 -0500
From:  wnsalmon at unt.edu
Subject:  Adverb combinations

-------------------------------- Message 1 -------------------------------

Date:  Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:13:15 EDT
From:  Kurtgjevnoe at aol.com
Subject:  Spanish particle verbs

Dear linguists,

    Someone has said that Spanish grammarians have done their utmost
to confuse their language.  May or may not be true.  Several inquiries
that I've seen in linguistlist seem to support the issue.  A writing
man, I often run into doubts that grammar books have no answer to.

    The problem this time is the usage of the preposition 'a' when it
follows a verb as a part of the same verbal expression ( i.e., as a
particle verb where the particle (the preposition) is an integral part
of the nucleus of the predicate.)  Examples are 'voy a' (immediate
future), 'aprendo a' and 'empiezo a'.  In speech, the preposition will
disappear through fusion with an infinitive if this begins with the
vowel 'a' (or 'ha'), which feels rather natural..  Examples are "ya
voy hacerlo", "aprendió hablar" and "empezó aclarar".  In writing,
however, this usage is irritating.  I should prefer "ya voy a hacerlo"
, "aprendió a hablar" y "empezó a aclarar". I have observed the
fusion in narration by varios writers and I haven't liked it.  What I
do not find in any grammar book (asking native speakers is a hopeless
venture, of course) is a norm that would permit or describe which
usage is the most correct in writing.

Would anyone be able and willing to enlighten me about an authoritative
reference?

In case I were to receive answers I should be pleased to post a summary.

Kurt Gjevnoe
kurtgjevnoe at aol.com


-------------------------------- Message 2 -------------------------------

Date:  Tue,  9 Apr 2002 15:53:00 -0500
From:  wnsalmon at unt.edu
Subject:  Adverb combinations


Does anyone know where I can find a study that might discuss
syntax/semantics issues of adverb combinations like 'more-better'?  As
in, 'Pizza Hut is more-better than Dominoes?'

-
Bill Salmon

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