LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 15.DEC.1999 (03) [E/S]

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From: John M. Tait <jmtait at altavista.net>
Subject: LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 08.DEC.1999 (01)  [E/S]

Sandy wrate:
>
>Same as in the sooth! Oo seem ti be uizin SAMPA different, John. A wad write
>"butter" as [bA?@r] an "batter" as [bA:?@r] or, mair strict, [bA.?er]
>(hauf-lang). Is this no richt?
>
>It's true that the "u" an the "a" here dinna soond qualitatively the same in
>a Scots accent, length aside, but A think this is richt as a approximate or
>phonemic representation.

Weel, in LAS 3 for Tranent an Elphinstone, at I mynd ye sayin wis nearhaund
yer ain speak, thay hae an upside-doun _v_ (SAMPA [V]) in words like _cut_,
an a script _a_ (SAMPA [A]) in words like _fat_. This wad mean at the vowel
in 'but' is closer nor the ane in 'fat'. Thay dinna shaw onie differ i the
lenth. I dinna ken if the extra syllable in 'batter' an 'butter' micht mak
a differ.

I suppose at, gin the war a differ baith in lenth an quality, ane or the
ither wad be eneuch ti represent the differ phonemically. I dae the like wi
vowel lenth in Shetlandic - e.g. /a/ an /a:/ - e'en tho the soonds in some
environments micht be e.g. [a.] an [A.], or in some airts [a] an [Q.]; but
I haud at Shetlandic haes underlyin phonological vowel lenth. I wad hae
thocht, tho, at wi vowel lenth bein thocht no ti be phonemic in maist kynds
o Scots (SVLR an aa that) at length wadna be the first chyce for
representin phonemic differs in Scots.

John M. Tait.

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