LL-L: "Etymology" [E/F] LOWLANDS-L, 02.JUN.1999 (04)

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From: Brandsma <brandsma at twi.tudelft.nl>
Subject: Etymology

>From: Christian Chiarcos <myrddin at cs.tu-berlin.de>
>Subject: Etymology
>
>Greetings to all,
>
>I am searching for an etymology of Low.G. beer "boar",
>Mid.L.G. beer or beier (still in place-names), E. boar,
>German Ber (18th c.), OHG. beer.
>
>I only know from my NHG. etymological dictionary, that
>it is   n o t   familar with E. bear, G. Ba%r and it is
>said to have no extra-Germanic etymology. Does anyone
>know something more ?
>
>Are there Northern Germanic forms or Dutch ones ?
>
>May anybody help ?
>
>Christian
>
>----------
>
>From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at geocities.com>
>Subject: Etymology
>
>Low Saxon (Low German) _bei(e)r_ denotes 'male pig' in general as well as
>'communally owned boar.'  A castrated male pig tends to be referred to as
_borg_
>[bOVX] (pl. _boerg_ (_Börg_) [b9VC]).  (Other words for 'boar' are _ever_ and
>_hauer_.)  To make things even more interesting, 'piglet' is _birge_ ~
_bigge_
>in Eastern Friesland Low Saxon, but I assume that is a Frisian loan.  It is
>_farken_ [fa:kN] elsewhere.
>
>Regards,
>
>Reinhard/Ron

Yn antwurd op beiden:

Myn wurdboeken binne it mei dines iens: se kinne net in bûtengermaanske
etymology foar "beer=boar" fine, it wurdt as substraatwurd sjoen: der
waarden hjir al bargen holden foar de Germanen kamen. Sa ek "bigge"
(Nederlânsk _big_): de^r is ek gjin goede etymology fan. It wurd komt
allinne mar yn Ingweaonske gebieten foar, ek yn it Leechsaksysk fan
Nederlân, dat yn it Eastfrysk Leechsaksysk hoecht it net liend te we^zen..

It normale wurd foar "pig" yn it Frysk is _baarch_ (meartal _bargen_), wat
besibbe is oan it Nederlânske "barg" (sniene baarch, castrated pig),
Ingelsk "barrow". Dit wurd wurdt yn ferbân brocht mei de woartel *bher-
dy't "slaan" betsjutte kin: bargen waarden snien troch de ballen dero^f te
slaan.

It manlike baarch hjit dus "bear", mar dat kin in lienwurd we^ze, neffens
my (dit haw ik ris u'tsocht foar in wurkstik foar in kolleezje etymology)
sit yn it wurd "boarre" (nl kater, = tom-cat) nammentlik deselde stam as
Ingelsk "boar", ek yn âlder Ingelsk haw ik "boar-cat" foar "boarre" fûn!
Mar faaks waard itselde (type) wurd foar in bear as in boarre te le^stich
en lienden se it wurd u't in oanbuorjend dialekt. Mar dit is mar myn tinken.

Groetenis,

Henno

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