LL-L: "Place names" LOWLANDS-L, 12.APR.2000 (03) [E]

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From: Gerald F Tighe [gftighe2 at artphotoprints.com]
Subject: LL-L: "Place names" LOWLANDS-L, 12.APR.2000 (01) [E]

Hi:
>From the Shorter Oxford 1933, reprinted 1964

"Borstal  1902. Name of a town in Kent applied orig. to the system there for
reforming 'juvenile adult' offenders."

>From the Compact Edition of the Oxford ... (page 252 with magnifying glass)

"Borstall 'local' also 7 bostal  OE 'beorh' a hill  .... 1884 Contemp. Rev
Aug. 330
The steep paths which wind up to the summit [of the downs] retain their Saxon
name
of borstalls"

The previous word is "Borsholder ....[a] Petty Constable .....

Coincidence??

Regards

Gerald

http://artphotoprints.com  (Updated April 10 2000)

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From: Stephen Israel [sisrael+ at pitt.edu]
Subject: LL-L: "Place names" LOWLANDS-L, 12.APR.2000 (01) [E]

> From: Mike Adams [abrigon at yahoo.com]
> Subject: Borstal
>
> Could be just a variation of Bar Stall or like?
> I know like a family name of mine, it was "De Hayden" or "De Haydon"
> and later Hayden or Haydon. Based from what I can tell a variant of
> Hay Town/Haytun or like.

de Heyden probably just means "the heath":  German: die Heide/n,  older Low
German: de Heyde, English the heath.
the "dun/tun" word for town was only used in that sense in England, I
believe, and the _de_ indicates Dutch or Low German.

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From: john feather [johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk]
Subject: Place Names

Ron

Your reference to Brendan Behan's "Borstal Boy" reminded me that just after
it was published my sister won a school prize and was allowed to have a book
of her choice. She chose "Borstal Boy" and because I was then a student in
London I went to Foyle's Bookshop to buy a copy. The headmistress was not
very pleased by the choice and had it  wrapped in brown paper for the
prize-day presentation.

John Feather
johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk

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