LL-L: "Morphology" LOWLANDS-L, 06.JAN.2000 (02) [E]

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From: root at artemis.talo.nl on behalf of; Dr.J.C.Woestenburg [talo at xs4all.nl]
Subject: LL-L: "Morphology" LOWLANDS-L, 06.JAN.2000 (01) [E]

Morphology  verb/nouns

Dear Reinhard/Ron and Lowlanders,

Compounded verbs are quite common in the West Germanic languages as are
compounds in general.

There exists a relation between languages: in Dutch "kopschudden",
Afrikaans "kopskudden", German "kopfschutteln", in Danish
"hovedrysten",  in Frisian it should be "haadskodzje".
Mostly these woord are used as nouns: "het kopschudden", "das
Kopfschutteln" etc.
Is it possible your examples rely on reversals frequently found in
dialect forms?

Best regards

Jaap Woestenburg

> /Süd-/ (shake) + /kop/ (head) > /Südkop-/ _schüttkopp-_ 'shake one's head'
> _schüddkoppen_ ['Syt,kOpm] 'to shake one's head', _ick schüddkopp_ 'I
> shake/shook my head', _he schüddkoppt_ 'he shakes his head', _wie hebbt
> alltohoop schüddkoppt_ ("we have all shaken our heads") 'we all shook our
> heads', etc.

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Morphology

Dear Jaap,

Thank you very much for your feedback (above).

You wrote:

> Compounded verbs are quite common in the West Germanic languages as are
> compounds in general.

> There exists a relation between languages: in Dutch "kopschudden",
> Afrikaans "kopskudden", German "kopfschutteln", in Danish
> "hovedrysten",  in Frisian it should be "haadskodzje".
> Mostly these woord are used as nouns: "het kopschudden", "das
> Kopfschutteln" etc.

My apologies.  I should have assumed less and written (even) more.

Germanic languages do indeed abound with compounded verbs.  However, what I
was after was information about the particular type [verb+noun] > [verb], as
opposed to the usual and commonly occurring type [noun+verb] > [verb].  The
type I was discussing seems to be very rare indeed, so far unique to my mind.
I assume that there are no Afrikaans, Dutch and German dialects that have (the
equivalents of) the forms *_skudkop_ (assuming that _kopskud_ is the correct
infinitive form rather than the *_kopskudden_ you gave), *_kopschudden_ and
*_schüttelköpfen_ respectively.

> Is it possible your examples rely on reversals frequently found in
> dialect forms?

Perhaps you could elaborate on this.

First of all, what do you mean by "dialect forms"?  As opposed to "standard
forms"?  How does this apply in the case of Low Saxon (Low German), given that
it is a language in its own right, not some aberrant Dutch or German dialect
group (though some people still regard it as such).

Secondly, if "reversal" were indeed involved, we would need to ask two
questions:
(1) Which is the reversed form?  (Or should we simply assume that the majority
is "normal"?)
(2) What would provoke such a reversal?  (Surely it can not be assumed to be
some accidental quaintness.)

I appreciate your input.

Regards,

Reinhard/Ron

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