LL-L: "Phonology" LOWLANDS-L, 20.NOV.2000 (02) [E]

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From: Helge Tietz [helgetietz at yahoo.com]
Subject: LL-L: "Anglo-Frisian" LOWLANDS-L, 18.NOV.2000 (03) [E]

There is indeed a th-prionouciation for words like
"brother" and it is still existing among native
"Soelring"-speakers, if a Soelringer might not be able
to pronounce it then that is because he/she was not
raised in the languages and had standart German
instead. But the "th" even occurs in my native Low
Saxon dialect from Rendsborg, only the pronounciastion
resambles a lot more the Danish d-pronounciation in
words like "ud", which sounds to foreigners almost as
an "l" but is effectively a mutation of the old
Germanic th. Our th-pronounciation occurs in the same
words as it does in English as e.g. "brother" is
pronouced "broler", though the l is distingtively
different from the normal one, just don't have the
"ed"-sign currently on my keyboard, have to import it
from Icelandic, I think.

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From: Henry Pijffers [hpijffers at home.nl]
Subject: LL-L: "Phonology" (was "Anglo-Frisian") LOWLANDS-L, 19.NOV.2000
(01) [E]

Ron wrote:

>And the next step seems to be deletion.  Evidence of this is found in both

>Low Saxon/Low German and Dutch.  In the former it happens in certain
>dialects intervocalically or where there is superlength before /d/; e.g.,
>'poeple', 'folks': Old Saxon _liudi_ > Modern Low Saxon _Lüde_ ['ly:de]  ~

>_Lüe_ ['ly:(j)e]  ~ _löe_ [l{oe}(j)@] ~ _Lüüd'_ [ly:.d] ~ _Lü_ [ly:.]; cf.

>Standard Dutch _lui_.
>
In my variety, this happens a lot. For example we often say:

bloo (to bleed)
löe (people)
roo (red, as in: 'ne roo tafel / a red table)
goo (good)

Where the "oo" in "roo" is different than that in "bloo" en "goo".

The d is not always deleted though, sometimes it's there,
sometimes it's not... It seems to me that if the word ends
in d, we do pronounce it, but if there's superlength before it
or it's medial, then it (and the rest of the word) is deleted.

regards,
Henry

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