LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 10.SEP.2000 (04) [E]

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From: john feather [johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk]
Subject: Etymology

The s(z)/r switch in verbs is preserved in English (only?) in the word
"forlorn". I suggest that in its ordinary use the word has quite lost the
specific meaning of "lost" and means something like "sad" or "wretched".

The expression "forlorn hope" comes, according to Chambers English
Dictionary, from Dutch "verloren hoop", where "hoop" doesn't mean "hope"
but
"troop of soldiers".

John Feather johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk

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From: Niels Winther [niels.winther at dfds.dk]
Subject: Etymology

More on derivatives of _kiusan_

Swedish _tjusa_ meant to select, cast a spell, use magic,
but nowadays in a positive sense: _förtjusande_ = charming.

Danish _kyse_ meant to select, to remove, to apply magic.
The modern meaning is roughly: to frighten, make somebody
subordinate, chase away.

Standard-Danish :inf:_kyse_  pres:_kyser_  pret:_kyste_  pp:_kyst_
North-Eastjutish:inf:_cyyws_ pres:_cywser_ pret:_cyywst_ pp:_cywst_
South-Westjutish:inf:_kyys_  pres:_kys_    pret:_køs_    pp:_køsen_

In South-Westjutish _kæjs_ has been used for electing a primus inter pares.

does anybody know of an extant _kesen_ or _keisen_ in Low-Saxon?

Danish:_kræsen_ Swedish:_kräsen_ is probably not a Low-Saxon loan
since there exist an Icelandic _kræsinn_
perhaps _kræsen_ is not directly related to _kiusan_.

English _choice_ cannot be a derivative of _choose_
it most have taken a detour over France via Frankish.

rgds
niels

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