LL-L: "Names" LOWLANDS-L, 21.AUG.2001 (01) [E/German]

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From: Reiner Brauckmann <Reiner.Brauckmann at FernUni-Hagen.de>
Subject: LL-L: "Names" LOWLANDS-L, 20.AUG.2001 (01) [E]

> From: "Randy Elzinga" <frisiancow at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Elzinga Surname
>.........  I believe that the -ga ending has the sense
> of 'comes from' in Frisian, thus, the last name could possibly mean
> 'Comes from Elzin/Elsen', where Elsen is either a person or a place.
>
> I just recently acquired a map of the Netherlands on which I found a
> village called 'Elsen' which, if I've done my arithmetic correctly, is
> about 25 km west of Enschede in the province of Overijssel.  I also
> found a village called 'Elzen' which is a little ways South-Southwest
> of Uden in Nord Brabant.
>
Es gibt  'Elsen' , Vorort von Paderborn in Westfalen.
Kommende Elsen, Verwaltungssitz des Deutsch Ordens.
Familiennamen Elsen usw

Gued gaohn
Reiner

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From: Henry Pijffers <henry.pijffers at saxnot.com>
Subject: LL-L: "Names" LOWLANDS-L, 20.AUG.2001 (01) [E]

Randy Elzinga wrote:
>
>I just recently acquired a map of the Netherlands on which I found a village
>called 'Elsen' which, if I've done my arithmetic correctly, is about 25 km
>west of Enschede in the province of Overijssel.
>
You are in luck, I am from Rijssen, VERY close to Elsen.

>Both towns seem quite removed from the present day province of Friesland.
>Was it Frisian territory at some point in history?
>
As far as I know, the Elsen in my area has never been Frisian territory.

>Is the meaning or significance of the names Elsen or Elzen known?
>
An "els" is a type of tree, in both Dutch and Low Saxon.

>Furthermore, are the names Elsendorp, Elsenerbroek, Elsenerveld, or
>Elzenburg related to Elsen or Elzen in any way?
>
I only know of Elsenerveld, which is a field near Elsen. Elsenerbroek
could also be a rural area near Elsen, but I've never heard of the name
(which doesn't mean that it's not there...).

regards,
Henry Pijffers

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

The _els_ tree Henry refers to above is the genus _Alnus_:

Afrikaans:      els(boom)
Dutch:          elzeboom, els
Low Saxon (NL): els
Low Saxon (D):  Eller
German:         Erle
Scots:          aller
English:        alder
Frisian:        ?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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