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From: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk>
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 23.JUL.2001 (01) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Ted Harding <Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk> wrote regarding a component
>
>> Near Wisbech is a cluster of settlements of which major ones are
>> Tydd St Mary and Tydd St Giles (by no means big, though). Others
>> (really tiny) are Tydd Gote and Four Gotes.
>>
>> My question is: "What's a Gote?"
>>
>> And then, possibly, "Whence the word?"
>>
>> The sense of one piece of oldish text I've come across suggests it
>> may be a sluice (? sluice Gate->Gote ?).
>>
>> Another suggestion is a [drainage?] channel (cf. River Goyt in
>> Derbyshire/Cheshire which "Concise Oxford Dictionary of English
>> Placenames" attibutes to "Welsh 'gwyth' `channel, conduit`, identical
>> with Old Cornish 'guid' `a vein`, Middle Breton 'goeth' `a brook`.)
>
> I replied (after what seems to be a wrong lead):
>
>> Might these "gotes" in your area have anything to do with
>> Westerlauwers Frisian _goate_ ~ _goatte_ 'gutter'?  (Cf. _goat_ ~
>> _goate_ 'downpour')
>> There's your connection with water and sluices perhaps.  Am I getting
> warm?
>
> What a difference umlauting can make!  Only after I sent off my
> previous message it dawned on me that there _is_ a Low Saxon (Low
> German, North Saxon dialect) cognate: _Göte_ ['g9:te] ~ _Gööt_ [g9:t]
> (_geute_ ~ _geut_ in Dutch-based orthography [< Middle LS _gote_ <
> *_gôta_]) 'gutter', 'drain', 'ditch', 'downpour' (feminine, pl.
> _Göten_ ['g9:t=n]; cf. _geiten_ ['gEIt=n] 'to pour'; cf. Dutch _goot_
> < _gote_ 'gutter', etc., _gieten_ 'to pour'; cf. German _Gosse_
> 'gutter', etc., _gießen_ 'to pour).
>
> This seems to connect nicely with the idea of "drainage channel."

Well, I can only say that this looks very warm indeed!

And, after the rest of your information (here snipped) I can
only say "Wow!!".

Now if some of the denizens of Continental Fenland can point to
places with _Göte_ or the like in their names, then I think the
circle (of circumstantial evidence at least) would be closed.

Many thanks, Ron!

And now, somebody, what about "roddon"?

Best wishes to all,
Ted.
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From: "Bryan E. Schulz" <bryans at northnet.net>
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L,

Lowlanders;

Does anyone know the origin of  'Dauwtrappen' ?

I believe it is a tradition in Dutch countries about walking on the morning

dew.

Bryan E. Schulz

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Bryan,

I wasn't quite sure if your question (above) was truly etymological or
cultural, i.e., if you were asking about the origin of the word or about
the origin of the custom.  Since you submitted it under "Etymology," I
assume the former and include your posting in this thread.

The origin of the word _dauwtrappen_ should be rather straightforward.
_Dauw_ (cf. Low Saxon [Low German] _Dau_ [da%U], German _Tau_) 'dew'.
_Trappen_ 'to tread', 'to walk (with heavy steps)' has a cognate in Low
Saxon with the same meaning: _trappen_ ['trap=m] (> "High" German
_trappen_).  It is related to Dutch _trap_ and Low Saxon _Trapp(e)_ 'step'
(in Dutch and in some LS dialects also 'stairs').  It is related to English
_to trip_ (< Middle Dutch _trippen_, cf. Modern Dutch _trippelen_,
LS/German _trippeln_ 'to walk with small steps', 'to toddle') and to
Westerlauwers Frisian _traapje_ 'to step', 'to stroll', 'to kick'.

I do not know the custom of _Dauwtrappen_ and am wondering if it was/is
done for health reasons and may be related to therapeutic wading through
dew or through shallow water that is included in the
traditional-healing-based program devised by the Bavarian friar Sebastian
Kneipp (1821-1897).  If anyone wishes to comment on the cultural or
therapeutic aspects rather than on the etymological ones, please submit it
under "Customs," "Health," or the like.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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